I try : ) Thank you for listening. Feel free to pm me anytime, brother...

I really hope you wait, & do this for a month before your cycle... Sounds good to me, I like it when people follow proper protocol : ) Cool, keep on doing your end of workout routine, just make sure to do the sprints, etc, 1st thing in the morning, waiting an hour or so before you eat. You will burn up to 35% more fat that way. Yes, certainly Drink More Water!!! Like two gals a day! Try herbs like Horse chestnut and Buchu. Also drink Dandelion tea. Definitely Limiting the amount of sodium in your diet from breads, gravy, canned tuna, sauces, table salt etc, etc, etc, is a must as well. If you're not keeping track of it, I almost fucking guarantee that you're getting way too much. Eat more vegetables, etc. Do more cardio. You've really have to be diligent. Make sure you're getting the proper vitamins & minerals as well Read my post make sure to get your required amounts of vita's & minerals, dude...

You are hard headed... We all are sometimes. I still think the cycle for you to pursue, is the Diet/test only cycle; maybe throw in var at the end to help out a little, and suppress your appetite. Def Drop the mast E, It is of no use to you right now (You really do need to be @ 12% to fully utilize, IMHO) So drop it; I'm sorry. You can not throw different compounds at a problem and expect different results, brother. That's Insane ;'P

For me the ratio that works the best is this, 40 Pro / 45 Carbs / 15 fats. & imo, drop Carbs & fruit after 4pm. I don't know what your diet is like; But make sure you're eating these! And it wouldn't hurt to throw in something like a RIPPED JUICE EXTREME from Betancourt Nutrition either.

Eat:

1.Avocados: These little suckers are loaded with two nutrients that are KEY to killing fat: hunger-crushing fiber (11 to 17 grams per avocado!), and monounsaturated fats, which studies have shown to actually “spot reduce” belly fat.

2.Peanut Butter: Okay, not just peanut butter, but mostly any seeds and nuts (these are the best): pistachios, walnuts, almonds (or almond butter), pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds, and flax seeds/oil. Why? They keep you full and satisfied for long periods of time, and they’re stuffed with healthy fats & minerals.

3.Healthy oils: Like olive oil, coconut oil and brand names like Udo’s Oil and Barlean’s Oil (I like the swirl flavors) actually help you burn fat by supplying healthy oils your body needs to burn fat.

4.Veggies: Turns out certain vegetables such as broccoli, cauliflower (There is even a brocoliflower? Hybrid you can purchase), brussel sprouts, kale, & cabbage contain special phytonutrients, such as indole-3-carbinol (I3C), which help to fight against estrogens that can add fat. Mom was right…eat your veggies!

5.Omelets: Eggs aren't bad, they’re nutrient-dense and loaded w/protein, vitamins B6, B12, A, D, E, and K, folate, choline, lutein, calcium, iron, phosphorus, zinc, and omega-3 fatty acids. Plus, they keep you full for long periods of time. Always choose eggs that come from free-range chickens. You’ll get much more healthy nutrients. I try to keep a 2-5 to 1 ratio as per egg whites to whole eggs in my omelets.

6.Dark Chocolate: Dark chocolate is loaded with antioxidants (nearly eight times the number found in strawberries) and it contains stimulants that can have a positive effect on fat burning, including theobromine and caffeine. It also contains a nice dose of oleic acid, which is a monounsaturated fat. Make sure to choose the 80% or higher cocoa levels.

7.Steel Cut Oats: Packed with fiber and whole-grain goodness, you can’t go wrong. Just be sure to avoid the processed, high-sugar instant junk out there and stick to any of the slow-cooked oats. Add a dash of cinnamon, vanilla, some walnuts, berries, some whey powder, & BAM! Good stuff, Maynard.

8.Green Tea: Not only does it contain a potent antioxidant, many scientific studies have linked green tea to increased fat burning, including a report in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition that found green tea extract boosted the daytime metabolism of test subjects by 35 - 43%.

9.Beans: Black beans, navy beans, re fried beans, and lima beans all have 6 or more grams of fiber per 1/2 cup.

10.Berries: Strawberries, raspberries and blackberries are loaded with fiber (which slows sugar absorption), and they’re packed with vitamins that can fight cravings (cravings can come from vitamin deficiencies).

11.Cinnamon: Researchers have found that cinnamon contains a type of antioxidant that increases insulin sensitivity and effectively helps to stabilize blood sugar. Bottom line… You’ll store less fat.

12.Chili Peppers: Studies have shown that the active ingredient in chili peppers and powder, something called capsaicin, increases calorie-burning, stabilizes blood sugar levels (which decreases fat storage), and is a potent antioxidant. So, add some of this “spice” to your life.

13.Yogurt: Most regular yogurt is bad for your belly. It’s loaded with sugar (real or artificial) that you want to avoid it. However, Greek yogurts like Oikos Greek Yogurt (plain) are loaded with probiotics.

14.Wild Salmon: Hands-down one of the best belly-blasting foods because of its protein and high omega-3 fatty acid content. This is like a “double shotgun approach” to killing belly fat. Many people are deficient in omega-3s and when they add them to their diet, any fat can really start coming off quicker.

15.Giant Turkey Legs: I’m not just talking about turkey meat (white, my fav), but any lean protein source is a good blasting food. This includes wild salmon, free-range chicken, whey protein powders, and most especially grass-fed beef because it contains natural CLA — a fat that studies have actually shown to burn fat. The interesting thing about protein is your body will burn off as much as 30% of its calories after you eat it.

Def drop the long jogs, they're utterly worthless at burning any reasonable amount of fat off. Instead, try mixing in sprinting right away w/very minimal warm up (Jumping jacks for a couple of minutes) Leg stretches. Do 26 ea of body weight jump squats, lunges, and hold a plank for 1-2 minutes before your runs.

IMHO, You need 1 Intense full month {BEFORE YOU CYCLE GEAR!!!} of 440s, 880s, & 100 yard dashes twice a week Also mixing in 30 seconds of lightly weighted jumping rope, w/pushups. Switching between the 2, every 30 seconds or so for 20-30 minutes. 1st thing in the morning, on an empty stomach (nothing but bcaa, water & creatine hydro chloride. Then either workout, always w/(double scoop whey/bcaa protein shakes before & after) With flat out Sprinting as long as you can then immediately dropping & doing 45 seconds of Ballistic (if you can) (military pushups), mountain climber pushups, & Russian twists individually at each separate stop from your sprinting regimen. 4 times per week. Do this for 20-30 minutes in the mornings. Again, nothing but Cold water beta alanine/BCAA & creatine hydro chloride. Wait an hour or so before you eat. Eat most of your carbs w/your 1st two meals. Follow the list in my post, and you will not fail, brother. Bring the intensity every single day! No excuses...

Also, try mixing in 5 sets of 8, 8, 6, DROP SETS of 15 (Choose a weight that you fail w/at 5 reps, continue lessening weight each 5 reps". With the last set of 5-6 reps always failing on your last) to your current workout regime... When you are on cycle up your protein ratio a lot & adjust everything as needed. This is why it's important to get your diet on dial 1st. To see what works best for you.
Good luck, and feel free to pm me. Follow treads advice
Please read my post, before you do anything else. There will be something of use to you there. I guarantee it.

http://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/workout-exercise/bet...

Ok fella, like i said please do your own research before taking any drugs as anything can be abused and cause you problems.

"sgtstedanko" advice is sound advice, the tried and tested slow steady and safe method.
You wont mutate doing it this way but you will get good steady gains and learn some disaplin regarding diet/workout routine.
I've just given you a quicker more adventurous option, only potential problem with the heavy cycle is you could end up relying on the drugs to stay lean as you didn't ever need to get strict with the diet/cardio to begin with, so if you come off everything you may well get fat again lol not good.

You know what they say about opinions?
we can take a vote & see who agrees w/my way vs the early tren train if is needed. I'd like to see.
Yes, I most certainly think its back to the drawing board so to speak. Your spending $ on compounds that imho you need to be under 12% to utilize. I'm not saying that they won't do anything at all for you. I'm just saying they are not necessary & that you won't be able to really get the most from certain compounds yet. Imo, test, w/var would be a good 2nd cycle. W/proper Pct if course. I'm busy, busy, busy, tight now. I'll done back when I get time & look over this again. I'm sure lots of dudes gave advise, as well : )

My advise is pretty hardcore fella and not to be taken lightly but it WILL give you mega results, even with tren ran at around 400mg weekly, just listen to your body and adjust based on sides, always get blood work done as well, even though the compounds are advanced they can still be used in relative safety.

I've seen this cycle ran by a good mate of mine and he looked INSANE after 3 months, although he did start leaner around 15% he must of have had good genetics regarding drug response/lack of sides as apart from a bit of nigh sweating and poorer cardio performance he felt fine, and bloods came back good post pct.

Bodybuilding is nearly all drug manipulation after all, diet/workout less important.