posted Mon, 10/28/2013 - 16:10
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hey man, my first cycle, give me an input as i'm a complete rookie !
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hi, my current planned cycle is looking like this.
test p 100mg eod 1-8
turinabol 1-4 50mg ED ( i have been considering to extend this to 6 weeks, any inputs on this ?)
arimidex 0.5/1mg ED
pct
clomid 50/50/50/50
nolvadex 40/40/20/20
what's your opinion on this?, and any stories the vets in here might want to share about their first cycle ?
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Im by no means a vet but my first cycle was testosterone only and I gained 40 lbs
maybe, but certainly not 40 lbs muscle
i'm not interested in gaining too much water or fat
well, I started at 210 ended at 260 cut to 244 and now am sitting at 262 9 months later so you be the judge how much I kept.
that's fucking amazing dude
my point with this is hold off on the tbol. If you've never run test and never run tbol, how are you going to know whats causing what? or which to dial back for certain sides?
just be honest mate, is this your first cycle or not??? im confused, put your stats and cycle history here, and you can get a strate answer.
it is?, look at title mate
to much adex mate, drop it to eod and add more or less if required.
okey, so 0.5 eod would be better with 300mg test p every week ?
Well time on + pct = time off, with that being said you would need 24 weeks before you started another cycle which would leave just 8 weeks to prep for your competition, just not feasible. You could shorten the prop a bit but it still wouldn't buy you enough time and IMO I would not shut down natty test levels of a healthy 22 yr old within normal endogenous test range with a short prop cycle...it's just not worth it. Also, to be competitive in a non natural federation at your height you need another solid 18-20 lbs...I know this bc I just did one and I'm a couple inches shorter than you, weighed in at the top end of middle weights in good condition and got crushed. My advice would be to take the winter pack on as much mass as possible naturally, the plan your first test o my cycle in 2014 and do your comp in 2015. I know it sucks waiting a year but trust me, you will be way more satisfied
actually it's 11 months untill the contest sorry!
getting a little tired, it's almost 5 AM over here
Ill be back in the morning dude
Man I would go long ester...you sure your ready to be a pin cushion? And some people don't tolerate prop well. Also drop the tbol for dirst cycle so you see how you React to test. When's your contest?
bout 8 months, but i know i'm going to be using short esters for contest so might as well get used to the frequent pinning.
also have regular drug controll in my gym, so i want it fast in fast out of my system, hope you understand my idea here.
I see...your gym does tests for testosterone?
ANY anabolics, hell we even had coffeine on the drug list a couple years back. ( Denmark )
I would grab a new gym or someone is gunna test you (I don't see how they can mandate that but whatever) and you get outed in front of all those people, some of whom are bound to be LEO
unfortunately not an option ;(
How do you plan on running a contest cycle? Being that you start with long esters and switch over to shorts
well duo to my age and being my first contest, i was actually thinking of running cutstack.
but eh, Testosterone, Trenbolone, and Masterone will definitely be ran.
1-14 Testosterone, Trenbolone
1-16 masteron
7-16 primo 500mg
15-16 1 ml Mast eod
16 20 mg Halotest per day
15-16 50mg Aldactone per day
though i'm sure a coach or experience competitor would do it differently, i haven't decided how my contest cycle will look like yet.
Ummm...lets not sprint before we walk...a lot that's off with that but we aren't even to that point yet
haha yeah exactly, i haven't even thought of a contest prep yet, for now i'm just looking into my first cycle ;)
Might want to get some Aromasin to run through PCT so you don't get an estrogen rebound.
Hey gainz, which dose would you recommend the aromasin?.
ive been looking into Zydex Pro-PCT which consist of 25mg Clomid, 10mg Nolvadex and 12.5mg Proviron per tab.
could i use this combo for my pct?, and if so, how would you dose this? 2 tabs a day which would be 50mg clomid 20nolva and 25mg proviron ?
No lab names for future reference
oh, sorry, i have to be quite honest, not read all of the rules.
Probably should take a browse for your own benefit
I wouldn't run proviron into your first PCT, especially your first cycle because it could keep you shut down and its just another compound. Keep it simple for your first cycle. I would read this sticky from the PCT forum
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/pct-and-aromasin
For me personally, I run aromasin throughout my cycle and run it through PCT at 6.25-12.5mg depending on what my bloodwork says. You planning on getting bloods done I hope?
I don't think proviron will keep you shut down longer...it's commonly used to bridge cycles at a low dose. It simply will keep test unbound to shbg so you have more bioavailable test in your system which equates to a faster recovery
Yeah, I hear the topic debated a lot and I've heard both sides. You're most likely correct. I just figured first cycle = least amount of compounds possible. I'll have to do some more reading
I don't necessarily know that you are wrong...blood tests always are needed o confirm a bridge is working correctly and I suspect it could be dependent on the individual...but being that he is going to compete he could use all the help he can get as far as keeping his gains
just read the entire thing, very very usefull infomation, i'm definitely going to add aromasin in my PCT.
yep, already talked with my doctor about it.
Good to hear that. If you are running aromasin all the way. You can start at 6.25 and up it if necessary when you get bloods done. If you are doing adex you can start at .5 e3d or .25 EOD and adjust that after bloods and then when you start PCT switch to 6.25 aromasin ed
well, to be honest i'd like to run the adex at 0.5 EOD, might decrease the dose if i feel the need to.
but will definitely run the aromasin through PCT, was reading my way here and there, and a lot of people say 12.5ED is a decent dosage for 4 weeks pct.
You could go with 12.5ed. It all depends on how your body reacts. If you get low estrogen sides at 12.5 (cracking knees, elbows, etc) you can always back off the dose
well obviously this i my first cycle, and the pinning doesn't bother me.
my stats are 92kg 177cm tall and 15%BF.
i choose the short ester duo to the regular drug controll we have in my gym, so C and E is not something i'm looking into.
i was thinking of rotating between right glute, left quad,right quad,left glute.
i'm 22 and going to compete next year, yes i know the vets in here would recommend 25 years of age, but i am NOT competing natural F that.
You should run the test by itself for a first cycle so that you can see how you react to it alone before adding anything else. Add the tbol on your second cycle. And use enanthate or cypionate so you aren't pinning everyday or every other day your first time ever sticking yourself with a needle. The PIP might be a little fierce, and rotating sites is going to become a bitch pinning that often. Run a longer ester, pin twice a week, and that's that. Arimidex should be started 0.5mg every third day or 0.25mg every other day and upped if necessary. Always start low and add as needed. PCT is solid. 100/100/50/50 is typically recommended, but Clomid makes me pretty damn whiny myself so I could understand keeping it steady at 50 IF you react well to that. Get a blood test before, during, and after your cycle. ;) And good fucking luck, brother! Welcome!
thanks B, yeah i know most people like 100/100, but more is not neccesarily better.
i like the idea of only going test for a first cycle to keep it simple and to take notice of any sides which may occour, but i think tbol is pretty mild on the side effects. something between anavar/dbol.
we need your stats bro, age, how many cycles, how long you been training, diet, height, weight, as much info as possible
my diet consist of 3800kcal a day, my coach made it for me. Might increase the amount of protein while on cycle.
Age? Height, weight, etc..?
oops, ment 1-4 50mg turinabol ED