posted Tue, 12/23/2014 - 08:19
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Help/advice on cycle
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Hello everyone, I'm starting my first cycle in 10 years, need some advice. Diet very clean, high protein, low calorie and fats as I want this to be a cutting cycle with lean gains.
Stats 5'10 220 20%
Prone to gyno
8 week cycle
100mg test p eod
20 or 30 MG of oral winnie?
Since I'm prone to gyno, should I run Nolvadex during the 8 weeks? If so, how much?
What do you think?
Thanks for the help
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20% BF and prone to gyno sounds like a recipe for disaster if you start a cycle. You need lower that bodyfat before you start a cycle since your risk for gyno is just that much greater with higher bodyfat.
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Thanks Makwa. What percentage of bf would you consider for me to start with aas?
I would take it below 15%. The lower the better.
Hey guys, thanks for the quick replies. I'm on my phone right now so please excuse the misspelling. I will write more when I get home
Diet protein shake with banana,berries or oatmeal in the morning
Afternoon- homemade soup (chix breast and veggies with a little bit of pasta in the soup) it's Blended and really good!
dinner - chix, fish,or steak. Mostly chicken and fish. With vegetables and brown rice. One night a week pasta and meatballs or eggplant parm. I know I have to cut that out.
What's PIP?
Also, for my pct,what would you suggest?
PIP = post injection pain
Some gear has a very mild pip and others feel like you have been kicked by a horse. Piece of advice stay away from high mg gear. Test prop is usually comes with a pip even at 100mg/ml. I ran test e and had zero pip except the time I moved the needle when it was already inside my leg. But my prop taper hurt every time the next day to the point where it was uncomfortable walking.
PCT > Do your own research. Use the magnifying glass in the upper left corner. Post it and then you will get some help if needed.
Your diet is WAY off. You gotta eat to build muscle. The juice just make more of what you eat turn to muscle. 5-6 high protein meals and a shake or 2 if you're hungry between meals. The amount of food you eat on cycle is crazy. Get some help from some of the guys and girls here.
Ok pip got it thanks, I got 3 ml 22g 1 and a half pins. It's all they had, wanted 25 at 1 inch. With this size and the test p, where would be the best place to pin? Ass, shoulder, leg?
Will definitely up my meals but, don't forget I'm trying to lean out. That's why I don't understand why I shouldn't take the winnie?
As far as the gyno, I already have a bunch of nolvadex, and can't get the others that you guys mentioned, any ideas on that?
Thanks for the great info, keep it coming!
drolskiebecause you havent cycled in ten years test will be efficient, it will be like running your first cycle all over again, as for the winstrol, drugs dont depict your goal, diet and nutrition does, plus its toxic, your diet needs attention!, asfor your pinning schedule, if you were running test prop, you need multiple injections per week, typically every other day, you could getaway with every 3 days, but ed or eod is more efficient, you would need to rotate as many injection sites as possible to avoid pip, knots, possible infections, abcesses etc, so both delts, quads, and glutes would be the minimum amount of sites in rotation, as for the nolvadex on cycle, if its a test only cycle, yes it will work on the gyno department,but it wont keep your estrogen in check, thats why you need an ai on hand just in case, arimadex or aromasin preferabally, for your p.c.t you need both nolvadex and clomid, test prop is notorious for post injection pain, and 22g pin is fairly large, so if you chose the test prop path, be ready for a lot of pain, test e would be better, then you do just one or two shots per week, first things first though is your diet and nutrition, get that in check and training in check and you can acheive your desired results, adding in the test will assist this further. good luck, and research my friend.
Thanks for the insight, good stuff. I can't get arimadex or aromasin around here. Is there any substitute for them? As for the amount of nolvadex, how much should I run with the test p?
Also, so adding in the winnie is a no go, even though I want to cut as much fat as possible. With my diet and winstrol?
On this site under sources you will find accessory shops. You can get adex or asin from those shops.
Winnie is a no go, and why don't you just run test e instead of test p?
And "even with your diet" Winnie is a no go. Your diet needs work, at 20% bf there is a lot of room for improvement.
Thanks, is there one you can suggest by pm?
The reason I am going to run test p is because I already bought it and the winnie. Is the reason your suggesting test e is because I will only have to pin 2 times per week, or is there more benefits?
What about swapping the winnie for anavar? Or tren?
pip = post injection pain
You only get three meals a day...?
Run the standard PCT...
100/100/50/50 Clomid and 40/40/20/20 Nolva.
Since its your first cycle in 10 years I say use a long ester test like enan or cyp for 12 weeks. EOD pinning is gonna suck and prop is notorious for pip. The long esters you only have to pin twice a week or E4D even. Nolva is out and adex is in. I would start with .5mg EOD starting week 2 since you are gyno prone. If it were me I would have some letro on hand too just in case you get a gyno flair. Letro will squash that shit. I don't see any PCT listed. Put that up. Save the winny. 20-30 mg is not gonna do much.
Make sure to get you blood work done pre, week 5 of cycle, and 5 weeks after finishing PCT.
.5 mg of Adex EOD is a bit much no? Isn't it better to start low at say .25mg and then work up if needed? You don't wanna overkill it if it isn't necessary and lead to an estro crash. Since he's prone to Gyno and needs it controlled getting bloods is the only way he will know if he has his adex dosage on point.
I don't think so. I had to run .5 EOD at 525mg of test e to keep mine in the 30s. Was going .5mg twice a week when I went for bloods week 5 and my e2 was 99.
Understood, but everyone responds differently. I just don't want the guy crashing his estro. He's gonna had to get bloods done to find out what works for him.
True. For some reason I just associated highly gyno prone with him being a high aromatizer, which is not necessarily the case. Could just get gyno even at low levels. I have a friend that has the worst gyno I have ever seen. He got it from running 250mg of Sust twice a week. He did not use any AI though.
At 20%bf? Post up your diet, you can shed a few %with diet alone.
Since it's first in 10 years. I'd do a Test E only cycle. With proper A/I's and PCT. I'd have both Adex amd Aromasin on hand since gyno prone.
X2. Drop the Nolva for adex or asin, and increase length to twelve weeks. No Winnie.
Your diet will dictate your cutting gains, not the gear.