As stated before your friend request was accepted. I can always use more friends.

Accepted.

The more you talk the more ignorant you sound and the more off-topic you get.

It's funny how you tell me that I refer to bro science when in actuality I quote real science and then you refer me to YouTube links by Rich Piana (I like the guy but he doesn't know shit about HCG).

I will let my previous post speak for itself and yours speak for you. As much as you think you know this stuff you really don't quite have all of it down. You have a great physique, no doubt, but you're better off people assuming you know what your talking about by looking at you then by speaking about it and proving them wrong.

You're making a lot of assumptions you have no clue about, and we all know what they say about assumptions.

I've already addressed the hCG comments in the previous comment above. So to answer your question I do know how each hCG and HMG work.

The reason I threw in Prov is because it will enable him to do a lot more while utilizing less testosterone by lowering SHBG as well as other benefits we know the compound brings to a cycle.

It is a testosterone only cycle so we agree there. Main reason for a Prob Kicker is that it enables him to get a lot more out of this cycle by getting his peak plasma levels to where they need to be quicker and thusly getting a lot more out of his first cycle.

I will let my post above to your other comment be my response.

No, TRT patients DO NOT stay on HCG for years, not sure where you pulled that outa your ass.

Here is a link to a study "The effects of long-term (14-120 months) hCG-treatment of 17 male patients affected by isolated hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism (IHH) on testicular volume, plasma testosterone levels, and sperm concentration were assessed." showing that long-term hCG treatment is utilized in the medical community.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1516981

testosterone, trigger the hypothalamus to shut down its production of gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) from the hypothalamus. Without GnRH, the pituitary gland stops releasing luteinizing hormone (LH) and FSH. LH normally travels from the pituitary via the blood stream to the testes, where it triggers the production and release of testosterone. Without LH, the testes shut down their production of testosterone. For us, HCG helps restore and maintain testosterone production in the testes by mimicking LH and triggering the production and release of testosterone.

You are doing real good here.

If HCG is used for too long and in too high a dose, the resulting rise in natural testosterone will eventually inhibit its own production via negative feedback on the hypothalamus and pituitary gland.

Until here this is where you start to lose it. :(

If you are on a cycle there is nothing to inhibit, this is why when you get blood work done on a cycle LH and FSH come back with almost 0. That's the part you're missing there's nothing no longer to shut down because you are already shut down because of your AAS usage.

the fact is, more then 3 weeks or so on high dose HCG is all you need, and by high dose, I mean for MEN, 250 IU's a pin.

If you were to do that dosage every day for three weeks there is a good chance of recovery but there's also a chance that it may not be. At the suggested dosage you use which is 250 IU three times a week your chances decrease even more. The longer your testes do not function the longer it takes for them to recover ( within reason, eventually they just don't recover).

A few weeks is about how long it's actually working for you in a positive way.

I don't like plagiarizing so I will give you credit for this comment "not sure where you pulled that outa your ass." Have any real studies to back this up?

get irritated when guys give advice that's detramental to someone looking for advice.

You and me both buddy.

I hear guys say they take HCG when ON cycle....WHY? Your sending two different signals to the testes, the AAS compounds your injecting are telling your hypothalamus to "shut it down, we have enough test in the system....overload infact" and the HCG is sending a signal via LH to the testes to start up again, a road block, an "on" and an "off" signal at the same time....not good.

Here is where you demonstrate your real lack of understanding. There are no two different signals being sent to the testes. LH is the signal, since you are already shut down there is no signal and that is the reason why you use hCG so that you testes receive that signal and function so that when you are ready to start PCT they are already working and all you have to do is get the hypothalamus and pituitary on board.

I won't assume that you do know this or don't but the fact is we have LH receptors throughout the whole body so when there is no LH it is detrimental to those areas as well to not be stimulated by LH. This is why hCG is often incorporated into TRT protocols along with testosterone, and it is also a reason of why patients typically experience "a sense of well-being".

HMG sends BOTH LH and FSH signals.

HMG Mimics both LH and FSH in the body, but let's not split hairs.

HMG makes sperm, and alot of it,

HMG does not make sperm. Sperm is actually made in the testes. HMG by mimicking FSH coupled with Testosterone is what triggers sperm production. Here is a link that will walk you through the process in simplified language.

http://www.pamf.org/fertility/conception/male.html

TRT patients stay on hCG for years sometimes. You can definitely do more than four weeks, as a matter of fact you should've started week one. Run it up until 4 days before PCT. 150 IU three times a week is plenty.

Hope this helps clarify some things.