posted Mon, 10/08/2012 - 17:57
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hardcore cycle?
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can i have some opinions on this cycle..its a 3rd cycle what do you guys think? looking for lean mass. body fat at 9-10%.
week 1-4 test prop 100 eod
week 1-5 oral turinabol 50 mg ed
week 1-16 test e 500 mg 2ce/wk
week 1-16 EQ 600 mg 2ce/wk
week 13-18 Anavar 60 mg ed
PTC nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 50/50/50/50
HCG week 1-17 200iu e3d
Aromasin on hand and will probably start week 3 or 4 12.5 ed
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SO the 3 options you have is 1. (This is the best) Wait and just make gains naturally until you around the 215 mark lean. 2. Test E and test Prop cycle(Will give you plenty of gains and will slow your pace down a little on adding compounds).3rd prop,Test E, and EQ (great cycle lets you add that extra compound to stroke your ego and still a great cycle) Again waiting and making gains naturally is the way to go. It will be way better on your body in the long run. The other 2 options are there so you just do not go crazy. You really should post up your diet and let everyone look at it.
probably going to go with waiting another 5 months to cycle, train naturally through the winter months and try to add a few more pounds and then do just test eq cycle and drop the orals ...thanks for the advice
Huge high five! Good thinking!
word, i'd +1 u too if i could...anyway good luck with your goals man
Good choice. +1 for making the correct choice.
Lean bulk. Yes its true and possible. Its controlled by food. Theres too much listed above for a Nice simple cycle.
I think you should lift natty with big diet til over 200 hard...not chubby. Food is everything to growing and keeping gains. When you're 200...then blast off. Doing so before the body is ready is a waist of gear and time
1-4 prop 100eod
1-16 eq 600/split mon...thur
1-18 test e/cyp 400 split
19-20prop 100eod......two days after ladt shot of prop is pct.
Hcg 10-18 500iu split
Ai--i prefer aromasin at 12.5Ed when estro pops up right thru pct
PCT
Clomid 100...100...50...50
Nolva 20..20..20..20
Aromasin 12.5daily....12.5....6.75...6.75
Its hardly a "hardcore cycle" bro haha... but..
Its been.said...
Drop eq 2 weeks earlier or run.test longer
no need for hcg thru out.. ect..
Itl be a good cycle... i dont get this lean.bulk.stuff though?
lean bulk lol..get big while staying cut...
why wouldnt you run the hcg throughout if i dnt want my nuts to hibernate ..also if stoped the eq week 16 and just ran test prop again the last 2 weeks like a few other guys said would that be better
x2 bro. bulk is bulk, lean is lean....also agree on the hcg. maybe the last 4 weeks @500uis
yea i know its not hardcore figured the topic would attract attention lol whatever..just confusing with the timing of everything
stats 185
6'
bf 9%
back to the point though... is this a good cycle? i defiantly like the hcg on cycle from experience because kept my balls in tact and i recovered real well.. in terms of my anabolic selection whats the consensus?
past cycle history?Throw in diet as well. 6' 180's mean something is wrong.
nothings wrong, Yes a little young but keeping healthy and doing proper post cycles.i started at 145 before training few years ago at the same height
If you add 1 compound pr cycle and this is your 3rd cycle then at most you should have 3 compounds. I count 5. To all the lazy ass people asking for stats (FAST) look at his profile.:)) So you are trying to go way to fast. I think the reason you trying to jump the gun is you are so young. This makes you feel like superman and careless of your future. Post up you previous cycles and give us a chance to send you on a better path.
I charge $150/hr for personal "advice" and training. On here is free and the OP is the one needing to serve. I dont give free advice and search. :~
FROM NOW ON MY FEE WILL BE NOTHING LESS THAN $500/HR... GIVING ADVICE WITH A "SMILE" WILL BE $600/HR AND $10 FOR EVERY 1LB GAINED LMFAO!
Haaaa! With your skills....you'd make it too!
I'll grab my ankles for primo:) No homo.......I think?
I might pm ya later on this. Il.pay no probs...
Im.at a major sticking.point.. dont wana.train.or eat atm.
Hahaha! Giaranteed to work like a charm!
I need to go into your line of work, screw college
Not many people on here that I would be willing to pay for their advice. You are one of them.
Its all teamwork hete guys. We get heated...we're men and it happens.
High five! Gotta keep OP involved in process to best help them n their goals.
4 compounds because the 2 tests just to utilize maximum time on cycle kick start levels... what should i get rid of then?
I do not know without past cycle history. What did you take and how well did it work.
2 cycles of test only.. put on 15 pounds each..one last year one this summer
so u never really gained anything naturally? i mean u said u started at 145 and your 185 now, 15 lbs each cycle means u gained 10 naturally, if i were u id take some time OFF steroids to strengthen your tendons, you can really get hurt
x2 I really agree with this and +1. If you can get him to do this it would be amazing.
i doubt he'll listen but he'll really regret when he has to take 4-6 months off for tearing his tendon/muscle
gained 15 on cycle kept probably 8 pounds each time
which also means that your diet sucks dick (no offense)
I agree here as well. Even though you eat more than the next guy does not mean you are eating enough.
Ok then do a 12 week test E cycle with a prop kick. This will give you a taste of pinning EOD and wont be too crazy. The slower you can go the better. Try not to add to much too fast.
No need for HCG every week of the cycle, The way I do it for longer cycles is one week on 3 weeks off until the last 3 weeks when I do it ED for the last 3 weeks. Might also want to take 100mg of clomid ED for the first week to get levels up but if you cant you should be ok.And taper with prop weeks 17-19 and start pct 3 days after last shot.
NO STATS...NO INFO...PER EVERY VETS AGREEMENT.
Age: 23
Height: 6'
Weight: 180
BF: 9%
those are his stats from his profile..
His prior drugs used? How did his cycles go? Hes awfully light for success. What went wrong? Whats his goals? Has he pinned Ed? Eod??
If OP is big enough to usr gear he's big enough to answer his own post. 5 cycles of 300/week of test only...no ai...half pct does not prepare OP for the above cucle. The above cycle needs lots of work to be done correctly. Hes got everything AND the kitchen sink. Only the OP can answers whats needed....or why do we really need vets on here? Evrryone would just post every posdible cycle for this guy. Need that inside info.....
steroids arn't drugs, they are hormones. I feel like the term drug for steroids shouldn't be used because it makes people think they are on the same level as crack, coke, meth, heroine ect.. just throwing that out there lol
count to 10 and take some deep breaths
gotchya bro, he's offline atm though..
Sorry that wasnt aimed at you. These are class 3 drugs and not taken lightly. Got everyone popping in without the full picture.
its all good brotha, were all just tryna help, gets annoying seeing ppl do stupid shit over and over
Stats? Cycle history?
taper off with prop for 2.5 weeks to avoid crashing. while waiting for pct
tapering off with prop does not help with crashing. i do not agree with that theory at all
It helps a lot having test verse having very little while waiting for long esters to clear the system
Really? You must be doing something wrong.
tell me how i'm doing something wrong buddy and i'll prove you wrong
You just raised my blood pressure, you dont need to prove shit buddy.
C'mon guys, you just hijacked homeys thread with a pissing match :(
Taper is proper....that'd why all the vets promote it. But we need stats