First time dumb ass
Hey let me be honest with everyone, I didn't do nearly enough research before I jumped into my first cycle, and I really need some help. First off at least the gear I got is decently rated on this forum 86+ so I guess that's a plus. I am 31 and just recently (about 4 months ago )got back into the gym 5+ days a week. I was (still am) somewhat overweight and just trying to cut weight and tone up faster. I have a buddy that was trying to get rid on some test cyp 250 and showed me everything I needed to get going (or so I thought) and I have been poking 2wice a week for about 2.5 weeks, and am starting to feel great. I went up about 30 pounds in bench since first poke already, but I also never really platoued before I started. I'm worried because my buddy I got it from is turning out to not be as knowledgeable as I thought. Through my own research I found out I definitely need PCT and my buddy says he's taken deca and tren and never used any pct.. but I know for a fact he's lost 75+ percent of his gains, and I want to do it right. I ordered another 250 cyp to finish 10 wkcycle and also 30 nova pills... Do u guys think that will be good or need clomid too? Also I don't have any hgc or whatever it is for AI.. I know I should have at least platoued in gym, done more reasearch, got bloodwork,. But I thought gyno only happens mainly with deca and tren.. is that true? My nips are kinda feeling different and it's making me nervous, maybe I'm just paranoid. Sorry for the story, and I appreciate the help fellas
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I am looking to lean out a bit but continue to gain strength. I play sports and weight train. I have some
Experience with anabolic but never really got organized with a cycle. I'm thinking test and deca. Any pointers?
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holy shit deja vu here goes me 6 to 7 years ago. drop that test 2.5 weeks test c you probably dodnt do to much damage. as,far as bench go up in 2 weeks thats placebo no way it peaked that fast.... glad you were honest about making a bad choice and stayed leveled headed throughout the post most guys hets defensive
Yea there's no reason to get defensive when I knew I wasn't ready and still started cycle anyways... I still didn't stop it though... I'm just doing my reasearch and getting everything together that I needed to begin with, and trying to at least finish right and salvage something. Shit the guy that got me going is talking about getting shit to start a test/tren cycle with no pct or ai's or nothing. I've seen him get big and loose it all before so whatever... I'm gonna do everything I can to try and have a successful first cycle and keep something in the aftermath. I'm just glad I started some reasearch on my own and found ya all who at least pointed me in the right direction to save my body.
RustyhookerMax out natural first. 4 months barely even got your receptors going.
smh thick headed as fuck.
RustyhookerKiddies....
hes over 30 he should know better.
Unfortunately age no longer equals wisdom. Very few people getting eaten by lions for being dumb, and eliminating their DNA form the gene pool now days.
your friend sounds like 90% of the idiots at my gym. Thats why when i started 5 years ago, I searched for a couple hours a day for a few months before jumping on.
Cunts these days. Mouths on twigs. Yea you need clomid and nolva. 4 weeks. Clomid- 100-50-50-50 and nolva 40-40-20-20-20 i like extra week of nolva. Do some reading and learn mate. Blue magnify glass enter keywords such as post cycle therapy and serms fucking basic shit you should have learnt long before jabbing yaself.
He stated he's going to continue on cycle. Beating a dead horse...
Yeah, he's staying on and hoping for the rest of his stuff in the mail to finish cycle out. He'll learn the hard way if he ordered anything coming from China lol.
Nolva should be on the backburner for pct, clomid is what helps you recover period. Drop the test and quit now, too much will be wasted by keep going the way you are. Youre overweight and just back to the gym and think test is the magical pill. you are doing more damage than good. Get your shit straight, by that I mean your diet and workout and think about gear a year down the road when you have ALL the resources and info you need to run it correctly.
AnonYou have the money to buy more test but not an AI? If you can get your hands on an AI, I would do so. If your seeing results but have sensitive nipples, you need an AI. As far as where to go from this point, everyone will have different opinions. Your age, test 250 twice a.week is a normal first cycle, but should of had an AI. If you can get an AI finish your 10 week cycle, and get blood work. Start your PCT 10-14 days after last shot. My PCT is proviron/nolva/clomid and arinidex. You can search many different PCT on this site, find what works best for you, it's all trial and error. Good luck and be smarter in the future.
I have nova on the way also, should be here today I hope... Should I start taking it when it gets here? I want to make sure it comes before I order clomid and more nova.. I know now I should have ordered it all together... Nova is a AI too or just for pct?
Did u even read the links dacky supplied down below? Your being spoon fed and if you won't read what is provided wasting everyone's time.
Yea I read them. It's just a lot of info to read and process at one time... I will go back over it tonight and accually take notes so I can get all the terms on what's what for what. I also had trouble getting to this thread because before I'd get a email notification if someone replied and there was a link to go strait to thread, and now the link won't show up on um. Even the old ones
Keep reading bro...GL
Appreciate it. Thanks for everything again. I'll keep ya all posted.
AnonJust seen your picture, clearly your diet is jacked or you wereally not ready to cycle. Are you taking creatine? If so cut that shit, you look to be holding a mass ammout of water
First you need to stop immediately than get blood work done. Post the results and come back for guidance. You may not have messed your HPTA on just 2 weeks 500mg of test.
Good advise below. Simply stop now. You can run Clomid and Nolva for 2 weeks at 50/50 and 20/20 just to be safe. Get your base built naturally and then revisit a cycle - https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/my-ruminations-o...
I would disagree that he add anything else before bloodwork. He needs to know where his levels are before using more chemicals that he doesn't have the knowledge or references to use.
Fella. He's two weeks into a test e cycle. Probably wouldn't make a difference whether he runs the SERMS or not. Blood work isn't going to show him much at 2 weeks. However K be safe and to ensure "recovery" a low dose of clomid and Nolva for a short period of time is unlikely to hurt him. Bloods 6 weeks after his lost dose of SERMS to confirm recovery would be appropriate.
Why would you have someone who is too undisciplined to do proper research put chemicals into their body unnecessarily? PCT is conducted after cycle to speed recovery of HPTA and test lvls back to normal. Most people would have done before, mid and after cycle blood work. He has not done any bloodwork and doesn't know what is levels are. You aren't advising him to take an aspirin for a headache but use chemicals for off label use that may nOT even be needed. His best bet is to stop taking the test, post blood work and than seek guidance.
Ok so you would have him stop now after two week and pull bloods. He's still got Test in his system for at least about 15 to 21 days so what exactly do you expect his blood work to show/tell him. As I said he is probably fine without the SERMS and so could simply do nothing and pull bloods after about 8 weeks to see how he's tracking. But what if he's one of those guys that gets shut down bad. He would be quite far down the line before he would be able to address this. I am suggesting to mitigate this risk a low dose of clomid/nolva would be appropriate in this case. These two medications are probably the safest compound anyone using steroids will take. Especially at the doses and duration I am suggesting. Think about it. Yes he's undisciplined I'm not arguing that and I don't believe he is either. It's kind of besides the point.
The half life of test E is 8 days so he would wait 2 weeks to get bloodwork. Is clomid/ nolva really safe?. They are drugs perscribed by a doctor. What happens if he has severe side effects from these drugs he may not even need to take?
Women taking Nolvadex to decrease the risk of developing breast cancer have developed cancer of the uterus, stroke, and blood clots in the lung. Some of these events have been fatal. Contact your doctor right away if you develop symptoms such as unusual vaginal bleeding or discharge; abnormal menstrual period; groin pressure or pain; chest pain; shortness of breath; coughing up blood; confusion; one-sided weakness; vision problems or slurred speech.
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 have been using Nolvadex for the last 12 months and have severe side effects - dry mouth - hot flashes - lower back pain and joint pains - also forgetfullness and dizziness. Do you know of any other medication as an alternative.
Following a lumpectomy, chemo and radiation I took Tamoxofen for just over a year. The hot flashes were pretty miserable, but the bone and joint pain along with memory loss and extreme fatigue made me talk to my MD about quality o
He should stop the test immediately, wait aprox 2 weeks to get blood work done and not put any more chemicals into his system. If his HPTA is messed up that bad and levels are way off he needs to see an endocronologist, not self perscribe.
There are many ways to skin a cat brother. We both said he would probably be fine if he just stopped, but also offered an alternative.
I appreciate the warnings and agree, if OP has vaginal bleeding he should see a doctor right away.
In all seriousness, those studies are like comparing apples and oranges. This is low dose for short period of time. If you can show me a study where a man has taken this and developed cancer or something than I would totally agree with you. I like your fire and see the reasoning for your stance, but people's opinions differ and you need to respect that. The OP is probably going to continue the cycle and disregard all of our advice anyway.
You definitely shouldn't have started a cycle so soon--you should develop a decent base and lose as much fat as possible, but we've all made mistakes. You can stop right now at 2 weeks in and be fine but I can tell from your response that you sre committed. Typically info wouldn't be given out but I'd rather see you do this safely than fuck it up because no one would help you.
I recommend a traditional clomid/nolva pct. clomid is essential imo--there is a reason doctors prescribe this to men with low test. Research for proper dosages and when to start based on ester half life.
I would also buy an ai such as arimidex and more nolvadex ( 30 is a little low--may have to fight gyno while on cycle)---get pharma and not the research chem stuff either. You are overweight and on cycle so estrogen can be an issue thus the need for an ai--you want something to reduce estro if needed. If needed means you should get bloodwork (private md labs) done somewhere around 4 week mark to see where you are at. Dont skip! Read the following stickies as well. The good thing is you are sticking to a test only cycle even though you jumped in a little early. Research and read as much as possible and this cycle will be safe and effective. Also, make sure diet is up to par and use that to burn fat not the aas.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/are-you-ready...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/steroids-101-...
Yet again I would disagree he start PCT (which he obviously doesn't know what it is) . get bloodwork done post results than ask for more guidance.
Sorry bro I fat fingered your down by mistake. I've fixed it.
If you went up 30 lbs in bench after 2 wks on 500 Tcyp it's in your head. Put down the Pins cause you don't need gear but more time in the gym and research. Get diet, and gym routine down before even thinking of cycling. Your only 2 weeks in stop before you mess yourself up.
I definitely have a great gym routine, and changed my diet completely. When I first started going back I weighed 245 and now am at 220 to 225. I work out with a dietitian/personal trainer 5 days a week, (my buddy (not the one that introduced me ))and do extra cardio on Sat. I'm serious about this bro. And the 30 pounds may have been a lil of exaggerated, but rather more confident or pushing myself to the max I'm definitely pushing more weight. Let's say I continue and finish out this cycle. U think nova is good enough?
Post your stats and a unidentifiable picture so we can see where your at.
I put it on my profile pic or whatever. And I do know what pct is.. it's to get your body producing test naturally quicker correct?
I put it on my profile pic or whatever.
5'11 221lbs last week, but I still feel like I'm losing inches, may be from toning up tho. Lemmie try and post a pic quick
Good pic bro, but looks like you still have a ways to go before hitting a cycle. Look at Makwa's posts for nutritional advice and research the heck out of the chemicals your putting into your body. When you get that straight most people would advise doing a 500/wk test cyp or e for 12 wks. Make sure you have your SARMS on hand and PCT protocol and do before, mid, and after cycle blood work.
GL
That's the cycle I'm on now but for 10 weeks... I think I prolly will continue, but seriously do my reasearch and get bloodwork like I'm soupost too before next one, if I decide to do a next one. So I know take the nova two weeks after last shot and do 40/40/20/20 per day/week on that... Then get bloodwork done 6 weeks after last shot, or 6 weeks after the nova finished? I truly do appreciate the help/ constructive criticism from you guys and I'll keep updating
It's POWER PCT. Clomid + nolvadex. Google it and get perscription strength not liquid UGL. You also need what's called a SARMS anti estrogen blocker arimidex or anastrozle. If you get " sides" sore nips/gyno need to know how to prevent (usually 12.5 EoD). Should have Hcg if you want to keep your testicles functional 500 ui/wk. Your blood test should be for test + free test + estrodol minimum. This is the basics just off the top of my head. You need to do a lot of reading if you want to cycle.
GL and feel free to PM me w questions .
you should listen to everyone and stop now until your prepared
Have a read....you may learn something
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/aromasin-you...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/anastrozole-...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/letrozole-yo...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/first-cycle-when...
Appreciate it guys... I'm gonna do some reading after work :). Thanks again for all ur help