First primo cycle
Alright this will be my third cycle, ill start somewhere in the middle of june first time using primo.
Stats: 183lbs, 5'7, 26 y/o 10-12% bodyfat, diet is on point year round
I want to run low test prop and high primo e, i know some of you guys wont agree with mixing ester but when it comes to test i love shirt ester
So here how i wanted to do this
1-10 Testp: 150mg a week
1-10 primo e: 400mg a week
If needed aromasin 12.5mg eod
And of course good pct hcg if needed, nolva,clomid
So heres my question
Should 400mg a week should be enough to get good result? (dont forget its only my third cycle) , looking for clean mass something around 5-10lbs
And is 150mg test prop too low ? I dont want result from test, i just want to stay a man and still have good libido etc.
And could i start primo only for 2 weeks then add in the test? Since primo takes long before having results
Also previous cycles
First was test e 250mg/week and tbol 50mg/day with nolvadex for my pct (i know this wasnt the best pct but i wanted to try only nolva)
Second one was test p 150mg week and tren ace 250mg/week and aromasin 12.5mg eod. Pct was xclomid and nolva and i added aromasin too i dont know if it was a bad idea during pct but it worked pretty well and i felt no need for hcg.
Results were good on both cycle. Clean mass added and kept almost all of it.
Side effect on first cycle was back acne at the very end of my cycle.
Side effect on second was the sleep thing with tren and weird dreams, had a lump starting in my left nipple so i took aromasin and got rid of it pretty quick.
As you see im not the type of guy that will do high dosage cycle and mixing 5-10 products.
So let me know what you guys think, if this is a waste or not?
Oh and sorry for my bad english, hope this is complete
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RustyhookerSounds like mind made up so go ahead and screw up a $1000 cycle. I mean you're only 25 pounds underweight.
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Dont have to be rude like this I didnt say i would do it? Im considering all the answer i got here. ill go up in weight and than ill just completely change the cycle since itsnt good on high bodyfat
Primo is not a mass builder
400 mg is a waste, from what I've been told by experienced users
10 weeks is also too short for primo
You are over complicating something that's actually very simple
Take all that money you plan on spending for primo and eat like a king instead
Thank you for the answer
Why am i overcomplicating something?
Different esters, compounds that aren't needed and you're inexperienced. Keep things simple, try to make gains as natural as possible. If you decide to run something, follow a common protocol. At your stats, there's no need to complicate things or run exotic compounds.
I considered running primo at one point. I realized, unless you are competing or have an phenomenal physique and you're looking for that last touch to give you that carved out of granite look, then there's no need for primo.
Keeping protocols and compounds simple will be more effective for your situation.
Thank you, I knew the different ester wasnt good but i cant find primo ace, but anyway ill pass on that i guess. And i got a simple question: how do you know if you want to use a exotic compound for competing, if you didnt ever try it before? That was kind of my idea here, get to know how my body would react to this compound before competing next year.
At 26 and 10/12% BF with your weight why are you even worried about "clean mass"? If all you're looking to do is add 5 - 10lb you don't need a cycle to do that. A well thought out diet and training plan would get you there pretty easily.
Basically now is the time to be building mass period. If you're worried about getting a little "fat" then I am sorry to say but you're never going to build and keep meaningful lean mass if you aren't prepared to add a little fat. This cycle is garbage and will do nothing for you. Better to run a test only cycle, eat big, eat well, train smart and rest.
That is what I would do. His body is primed for a good and proper bulk. The only thing I see happening with the proposed primo cycle is lighter wallet and shutting down the HPTA for minimal gains.
Thank you for your answer man!
Rustyhooker^^^^^^ boom. Reality check
Thank you for your answer, will consider this how much fat you think i would go up with 5-10 lbs addedv Considering eating clean, ill just try to add some extra meals, if i cant i guess ill have to cheat to get my calorie higher.
I think you've missed the point. I was suggesting you don't worry about putting on some fat. Rather worry about adding mass and building your base of power. Weight moves weight and the heavier you can lift then the bigger the signal you will send to your muscles to stimulate growth. You could cyclically bulk for the next few years and not take your BF higher than 15% while getting up to 210/220lb.
To answer your specific question it depends on how/what you eat, how you periodise your training and your metabolism. Really if you're running cycles but you don't know the answers to these questions I seriously suggest you pause and devote your time to learning everything you can about optimising your diet, training and rest/recovery with the aim of maxing out your genetic potential.
Get on the diet and training forums and post up there and get growing.
Dont worry I didnt miss the point, you answered my question. I could go up to 210-220 without more than 15% thats what i wanted to know. Thank you its good to know
Results take long, doesn't mean that the primo isn't shutting you down. So waiting 2 weeks for test after starting primo is a dumb move, So is running primo e for 10 weeks, so is "clean mass," so is "hcg if needed" how would you even know if it's needed?
It's a waste imo.
Eat more.
Ive seen a lot of guy not using hcg, personally i would juste use it if my balls were shrinking alot and thats not my case so i dont see why i would "kick start" my pct if im doing juste fine with clomid and nolva protocols
So you rather fix the problem when it happens instead of just keep it from happening. Yea, makes sense. Also, you're not "kick starting pct," you're protecting yourself from testicular degeneration. Do more research before cycling, know how these drugs work before using them.
Yeah, im just saying if i dont need it i dont need it simple as that, i've never used hcg and bloodwork shows everything back in place. I read on forums and resarch and seems like alot of experimented dude doesnt even touch hcg. Why would i want to put more and more compounds in my body if im ok without it? I sais i would keep it on hand, during cycle get bloodwork see how it goes, if i need it than ill do it but if not why would i use it anyway
If you're going to run primo you should run it longer. Unless you use primo tabs.
How much did you weigh before the 2 cycles you have ran?
I just think that you will be wasting money and primo.
Save the primo until you have enough for 16-20wks at 600-800mgs a wk then it will be worth it.
Weigh was around 165 before first cycle, got up to 185 lost about 10 lbs after guess i failed at pct/diet
Second i was around 175 got up to 193 with a bit of bloat because i ran mk677 with it, got down to 187 to get rid of the bloat on cycle and was about 9 bodyfat. Than i lost 3-4 lbs after the pct.
And 16-20 weeks cycle, isnt too long?
If i can final'y get my hands on primo ace does that change anything ?
16-20 wks is a long cycle with certain compounds including primo enanthate it takes a while to really shine. Primo ace tabs i think would work better when running a shorter cycle. When on primo you need to take in damn near 400g of protein a day and that isn't easy but thats what will make primo work and do what its supposed to while keeping your diet calorie deficient and still keeping your muscle mass.
Thanks for your reply man, ill consider it
Dont scream on me for using tren on second cycle, i know it isnt the best move but i read alot about it before using it and it went successful
It's not about the cycle being successful or not. It's about your body, long term. How it will affect you in the long run. I know a guy who takes tren, cycles are always "successful" now that he got checked up the doctor found negative results. Just because you look good outside it doesn't mean it's the same for the inside
I've done my tren cycle and I feel it's not worth it. You can get very similar results with other compounds. Only reason I take it or would suggest someone to even consider it is if they are about to compete in nationals!