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First Cycle. Thoughts?

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Hi Guys:

I have everything for my cycle pretty much worked out and I’d like to know some of your thoughts on my cycle that I will begin in about 2 weeks.
Some info, history, etc...

Stats:
28yrs
6’2”
197lbs
8% body fat

Goals for this cycle:
This is my first cycle. I don’t want to be a monster. I want to gain: strength, lean mass, endurance, a little recomposition, and just a better overall physique. I’m shooting for a 25-30lb gain then cutting it down because of excess water, etc… to a lean 215-220lbs. I’d also like to try to keep my waist around the 32 size.

Background:
Lifting seriously since about 15yrs of age. Played sports for a good portion of my life. Was always one of the stronger guys. I’m probably what you’d think of as the well-rounded type. I’ve done PHs before and I’ve been thinking about steroids for a while.

I work out 1-2hrs, in the morning, 5 times a week, and will up it to 6 times a week while ON. I split up all the major body parts into different days. I will include 13min. of cardio a day except for Saturday & Sunday. I normally do heavier weight in my work out sessions but when I’m on a hormonal substance, I adjust the weight accordingly so that I can do all of my normal exercises but with double the reps.

Diet:
My normal ‘maintenance’ caloric intake is about 3000 calories a day, with my current activity level. I will move that up to about 4200 calories. Meals will basically consist of: fish, veggies, brown rice, poultry, eggs, milk products, whole wheat bread, and maybe oats of some sort. I will have a day or two when I eat junk food but I generally don’t eat junk food so I’m not expecting it to affect things very much. Macros for 4200 calories will look something like: 54% carbs (about 570g a day but I’m thinking this is too much so I might lower it a lot), 36% protein (about 380g a day), 10% fat (I’ll try to keep this at around 50g a day). I will do my best to spread my daily nutritional needs into 5 meals a day but it might not work out like that. Specific meal items have yet to be determined….

Rest:
Sundays are off days and I will shoot for 7-8 hrs of sleep a night and maybe more depending on how tired I am and my schedule.

Injecting:
I'm using 23 gauge 1.5 inch needles for drawing AND injecting. I will draw with one needle then when I'm ready to inject, I will change to a new, clean 23 gauge needle. I will inject into the glutes once a week. And will just rotate cheeks each week.

Let me know what you guys think?

Wks 1 - 4.5: Tbol @ 60 mgs a day split into two doses…one morning, one evening
Wks 1 - 12: Test E 500mgs/wk I will pin once a week. Most likely on Mondays…
Wks 4 – 14: Arimidex .5mgs EOD ONLY if I start getting water weight…
Wks 8 – 12: Anavar 70mgs ED

I’m also running propecia almost two weeks before I start the cycle and continuing it for the entire duration of the cycle and pct. I also have 20 % minoxidil and hair growth shampoo that I'll be using for the duration of the cycle.

PCT will be two weeks after last pin.

Wks 14-16: Clomid 100mg/ED, Nolvadex 40mg/ED
Wks 16-18: Clomid 50mg/ED, Nolvadex 20mg/ED
Wks 16-20: Cortisol supplement

Also being run during my cycle is: Cycle Support for my liver and such, fish oil, multi-vitamin, bcaa supplement, Super Cissus for joints, and a creatine intra workout.

Z_E_U_S's picture

Thanks guys.

HllwdBdBoy's picture

Wisdom is only helpful when applied... : /

Z_E_U_S's picture

I wasn't going to try to make myself unique, special, and able to do things the 'rebel' way hahaha. I definitely understand that guys are like that online. They're ignorant and don't care to be informed. I honestly just want to make this first cycle as successful as possible. And I understand that the more compounds you use, the more variables you have to consider. So thank you for your advice!!
Question:
Okay, so I travel a lot and I really would like to start my cycle Jan 1. One of the reasons I was trying to go for one injection a week is because I come home long enough to do an injection then I leave town again so twice a week isn't possible right now...

Are you also in the same camp of two injections a week? What if I started with one injection a week then the weeks when I'm actually in town long enough, I do two injections a week? My schedule would settle down after a month of doing that then I could find a more routine injection sched. What do you think?

HllwdBdBoy's picture

bro this post speaks volumes on your research and knowledge Not being a dick but take some time to research half-lives and test levels in the blood and you will answer your own questions... apparently the words of those who have come before you don't seem to be enough
my .02

Z_E_U_S's picture

Hi HBB, it's cool. Maybe it seems like I don't exactly what I'm doing. But I'm definitely taking everything into consideration. I haven't made any final decisions yet. I've done a ton of research and understanding the half-life of a specific long ester and how test levels fluctuate is what's causing a little confusion about why some people choose one routine over the other. My conclusion is something different than what some are saying so I'm here asking questions to the people who've been doing this forever so I can get some real world opinions from experience. Not just because someone told them that this way is best... I love great, informed advice. I'm here asking questions because that's one of the reasons you guys are here :-) Thanks for your help and if you have any other advice for me going into this cycle, please give it up lol.

Z_E_U_S's picture

Thanks so much for your help! My reasoning behind pinning once a week is that Test E has a half-life of about 10 days. So by the time the next pin comes around, I still have over half of the 500 mg I pinned previously in my system. And then I eventually reach higher blood saturation levels faster or at an equal pace compared to pinning twice a week. What do you think?
I'll drop the anavar for this cycle.

jpal's picture

pin twice per week

EBSNW1's picture

The combination of nolva and clomid together in PCT is usually done for cycle that are very long, for example 5 - 6 months and more.

For a standard 12-weeker its enough to pick one of the two. Drop the var and t-bol.

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miggymig's picture

Split the test drop the Tbol run the Var into your PCT and thumbs up for doing a little homework Bro! You don't know how many times I lost hope for newbies but the last day or two I have seen some that have hope! Enjoy Bro!

Tvo's picture

First cycle should always be Test! You should introduce one compound at a time!

eatbig's picture

I want to recomend spliting the 500mg test e to twice a week Mon/Thurs. Ive been told it helps keep the test levles from going up and down. You'll get better results and less sides. Stick with 1 compound for your first cycle too, hold onto the d bol and var for another cycle.

Tvo's picture

I second that! Need your levels stable

Z_E_U_S's picture

Ah I see what you mean. Thanks a lot for your advice! But it seems to me that your test levels can never really be too stable with the injection because they get lower with each passing day and higher when you inject again. Not to mention the fluctuation caused by your own test production. I can see someone wanting to keep levels higher rather than more stable. Have you ever tried the once a week injections? I'm definitely not opposed to doing it twice a week but it saves time, needles, etc... if once a week gets the same job done as twice. Let me know your thoughts?

Tvo's picture

I know ppl that have and they now pin twice a week. I pin 2 times a week, simple process takes about 5min. Pins are about 10 bucks for a hundred. Are you pinning yourself>?

Z_E_U_S's picture

Ah I see. I probably won't do the first one myself but all of the subsequent ones I will.

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