+ 1 First Cycle. Looking for input
So about two years ago I had a friend who got a hold of some gear for me. I ended up with Test E and took 500mg a week for 5 weeks. I saw around a 20 pound gain, 10 which I lost fairly recently afterward. I was pretty stupid and gung-ho and didn't have any PCT. It's been a while and I thought my only route was getting some stuff from Mexico, so I recently got enough for a 12 week cycle (Just Test E)... Then I jumped on this site to read up about my dosage and what I should run for a PCT and I heard about how much Mexican stuff sucks. So I check sources, labs and finally placed an order on a site that has a lot of positive reviews and planned out a cycle.
Test E 1-12 Weeks (500mg Week) I kind of want to frontload my first week up with 1gram, but am unsure
DBol 1-4 Weeks (40mg Daily, splitting my doses 20mg before workout and 20mg 12 hours later)
Winstrol 10-14 weeks (50mg Daily)
Two weeks after last shot.
Nolva 1-2 Weeks (40mg Daily @ Night)
Nolva 3-4 Weeks (20mg Daily @ Night)
Either way I would have enough Test E to run my cycle 2 weeks longer or frontload the cycle.
Already had my blood testing done, Testosterone around 730, I can't remember my other labs except they were within normal range including a CBC and BMP.
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Well, like I said got rid of my mexi-roids, I am however keeping the clomid and nolva I got there to pct with. I still read contradicting info about PCT. Sometimes it's 150/100/100/50 and 40/40/20/20. I've got some HCG to run in cycle as well, will stop right before PCT, thinking about split dosing 500, so 250 2x a week. I've also got armidex on hand incase I begin having high estrogen symptoms. In which case I'll take .25 every three days and up dose from there if symptoms persist. Will be doing blood every 4 weeks.
From what I'm reading this is only your 2nd cycle, ur first being only 5 weeks. Your jumping into orals and multiple substances too soon. 12 weeks at 500 should give u good gains. U wwnt to use the minimum necessary to achieve ur goals. I've got wbout a hwlf dozen cycles under my belt and I'm dialing back the test e for the one I just started to 600mg for 13 weeks. Typical hrt is 100mg a week or 200 every 2. 200mg/week would probably put one over the high end of normal.
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I guess you have found out your pct is off
Why is it you want to frontload? an extra boost?
i dont think it will do anything super id run the cycle on out.. but either way is fine
You dont need both orals... really all you need is the test cause if that listed up top is all you ran then this is your first real cycle bro
Stock up on protein and good foods and some fruit
Run that test 12 weeks at 500 mg then pct with nolva and clomid 2 wks after the last shot and you will see great gains off that
±2 For gettin the bloods done
I read a comment about a month ago, asking why 100 mgs of anavar is being considered the norm now. And after reading your comment, mind you there's nothing wrong with it; your advice was spot on, this is just a thought.. It made me think theoretically someone could use 250 mgs of test instead of 500 mgs; HRT is 150 mgs. IMO it would be safer reducing the risk of an adverse effect and if they mess up, then their natural testosterone would have a greater chance of full recovery...
The reason why I'm not the biggest fan if 250mg of test alone is while yes it'll raise your test levels more than HRT, it's a somewhat minor amount. A lot of men receive 1 shot of test cyp (200mg) a week for HRT which puts them in 500-600ng/dl range. Why bother shutting down your natural test production for a minor amount? You might as well take letro or adex as they have been proven to greatly increase your test levels without shutting you down.
Here is a study overview showing the effectiveness of adex and letro: http://hrt-rx.com/2012/06/05/arimidex-vs-femara-for-increasing-testoster...
Please note I do not recommend go hard or go home as some do suggesting, idiotically, to do anadrol test and deca for your first cycle. I'm just saying for a first cycle 500mg of test is more bang for buck than 250.
Single compound only for your first cycle.. long ester test.. there's no reason to put a whole bunch of different hormones at once. Introduce one at a time to gauge how your body reacts..the reason you lost your gains is because half of it was water and you failed to maintain and surpass our calorie intake... not to mention pct.. clomid is mandatory for locking in gains...
cycle and pct is bunk, how long you been lifting? diet? this will be your 1st real cycle, test only, you ran 500mgs a week for 5 weeks gained 20 pounds? bs! if thats true you certainly dont need this bunk plan with multiple compounds, elaborate further so we can tweek.
Got the main point of the cycle I proposed from this post, which is a sticky on the "Cycles" sections of forums on this site.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/how-to-run-a-cycle
In this post he mentions only Nolva for a PCT, and I've seen it posted the same other places. Luckily I purchased both Nolva and Clomid because I hadn't decided which to run, so now I can do both if need be. Obviously I need to find a place where someone posted about taking both to read why they would, when the majority of the stuff I've seen says one or the other.
As for diet
Breakfast:
4 Egg white, 2 whole eggs
1/2 a cup of oatmeal/whole banana/soy milk (Im aware of the estrogen issue with soy)
Snack 1:
Protein shake/soy milk
fruit (varies)
nuts (raw sunflower seeds/cashews/almonds)
Meal:
10-12 oz chicken, grilled
Whole sweet potato
Zuchinni/Squash
Meal:
Same as above
Snack:
Same as above but with peanut butter in shake
Late night snack:
Peanut butter sandwich
I take a multivitamin and sometimes juice (greens and fruit). I also use creatine and milk thistle for liver health.
that post is old and outdated, also wrong.
Research the anabolic threshhold theory before you front load any compound...
Totally agree with rolltide drop every thing but the test e & run proper pct clomid 100/100/50/50 & nolva 40/40/20/20. This is your first cycle take it slow see how your body reacts to this compound. Run the cycle 12 weeks & make sure to get blood tested.
Agreed....
Yes, Aromatase Inhibitor. Arimidex would be an example, dosing of 0.5mg every other day. Is this always something that is necessary? Or can you spot treat with Nolva if you feel symptomatic?
Stats
Age 27
5'9"
170 pounds
14% body fat
Been working out 4 years.
I have climid and nolva, I've just read that nolva helps boost your natural test levels up to normal more quickly by stimulating LH and FSH. I've heard you can continue Nolva 1-2 more weeks at 10mg a day if needs, but the majority was 40/40/20/20
Dont spot treat with nolva....it messes up IGF-1.....
Dose AI .25 e3d starting week 3-4. Just monitor for signs of high estrogen, like edema in the ankles and acne.
Agree didn't say dosage of ai but always start on the low end and bump it up if need be. This is such a hard thing to tell beginners because everyone truly reacts different to an ai.
Thats true. And, always think the op knows what i am thinking, or how to do it because i have.
Blood work is the only way to tell unless u have estrogen symptoms that occur. Most guys take an ai to help prevent a problem from occurring not waiting till a problem arises then try to fix it. Your pct that's standard here is Clomid 100 100 50 50 nolva 40 40 20 20. This cycle is basically your first cycle that other one was to short a run with test e. So u need to drop everything but the test e. U need to learn how your body is goin to react with test before u add any thing else. An example of this is if u are taking multiple compounds and an issue arises u won't know what causing them due to your lack of understanding your body reactions to these compounds. Do a simple test e cycle 12 weeks 400 ta 500 mgs. A week. With an ai and proper pct. U will need bloods week 6 to see if you need to adjust your ai or any other problems that might occur then again after pct
Good job bro....his AI should be .25 e3d....and post cycle blood work 6 weeks after PCT....AWESOME RESPONSE BRO...
Need stats u got a lot more research to do before u do a cycle. Pct is wrong, do u know what an ai is. U need to take some time and research and learn before u start us just spoon feeding u answers basically doesn't do u any good. U really need to understand everything u put in your body and how and why it works. before u start take more time here and learn first. Go to magnifying glass up top
hunteron20sDont frontload at a gram thats not best for you ..I would post your stats age height weight etc.the dbol is more then enough to kick it off at the beginning ..