First cycle and ready for flaming!
Hi - Im 32, 5'11 and 188lbs at 16%
Lifting regularly five years.
Lift Dorian Yates style five days per week approx 60 mins. HIIT cardio 16 mins early am and post weight session every other day.
Previous goals, increase strength, add respectable level of mass.
Bench 325lb
Dead 485lb
Squat 510lb
Happy with weights and improvement - would like to be more aesthetic so cutting diet is on point.
SO. Had considered using Anavar and Clen with Clomid PCT for 8 weeks.
However have read similar posts which said:
(1) No PCT is required, although some say it is.
(2) Oral only is a half assed way of doing it.
(3) Var/Clen is an excellent cutting option.
I'm not afraid to say, I'm unsure of pinning and wanted to try oral initially.
Please give me the wisdom!
Cheers guys
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Now i'll just flame myself... "Var only cycles are only for people who have a Vagina" point taken!
sgtstedankoHonestly, I'm not a big fan of anyone's styles. I like to mix & match. It's my opinion that they took the time to find thier personal limits, and what they feel works the best for them personally. I like the HIIT, Double your timed lentgh though. Try not to rest in between stes as long as you can. If you can... I like the vikings idea of dropping your carbs, and upping your protein. I pers add a little whey into just about everything. Most definetly take in whey protein, and bcaas before, and after your workouts. It's about the intensity you train at, brother. It really is. Always start and end with light weight very fast intense high rep sets, each new exercise...
Lucky for you, I had most of this saved in copy, from yesterday : )
Start your mornings, sprinting on an empty stomach {Nothing but water, coffee, or caffeine of some sort, just not those shitty sugary sports stinks {Pers I like Optimum Nutrition Amino Energy mixed half water & half low Gatorade2{low cal,etc} with Korean red panax ginseng powder, creatine hydrochloride, & bcaa powders} Tue, Thurs, Fri & Sat (optional). Anyway, Sprint as fast as you can, as long as you can. Then Immediately stop drop & do 45 seconds of Military Pushups at the 1st stop, crunches at the 2nd, & Mountain Climber Pushups at the 3rd stop from sprinting, at the fourth do Russian twists. Walk for 1-2 min, and repeat for at least 10 min.
Before your sprint cardio, long run days, & Leg workout days as well; Do 24 ea of body weight squats, lunges, jump lunges, alternating legs. Jump squats, then hold a plank for at least 1-2 min. Rest for up to 5 min. Wait an hour or two before you eat. Consume pretty much your daily allowance carbs w/your 1st two-three meals. After your HARD workouts.
Eat Lots of spinach salads, w/balsamic vinegar dressing...
Make sure you include these in your diet:
1.Avocados: These little suckers are loaded with two nutrients that are KEY to killing fat: Hunger-crushing fiber (11 to 17 grams per avocado!), and monounsaturated fats, which studies have shown to actually “spot reduce” belly fat.
2.Peanut Butter: Okay, not just peanut butter, but mostly any seeds and nuts (these are the best): pistachios, walnuts, almonds (or almond butter), pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds, and flax seeds. Why? They keep you full and satisfied for long periods of time, and they’re stuffed with healthy fats & minerals.
3.Healthy oils: Like olive oil, coconut oil and brand names like Udo’s Oil and Barlean’s Oil (I like the swirl flavors) actually help you burn fat by supplying healthy oils your body needs.
4.Veggies: Turns out certain vegetables such as broccoli, cauliflower (There is even a brocoliflower? Hybrid you can purchase), brussel sprouts, kale, & cabbage contain special phytonutrients, such as indole-3-carbinol (I3C), which help to fight against estrogens that can add fat. Mom was right…eat your veggies!
5.Omelets: Eggs aren't bad, they’re nutrient-dense and loaded with protein, vitamins B6, B12, A, D, E, and K, folate, choline, lutein, calcium, iron, phosphorus, zinc, and omega-3 fatty acids. Plus, they keep you full for long periods of time. Always choose eggs that come from free-range chickens. You’ll get much more healthy nutrients. I try to keep a 2-5 to 1 ratio as to per egg whites to whole eggs in my omelets.
6.Dark Chocolate: Dark chocolate is loaded with antioxidants (nearly eight times the number found in strawberries) and it contains stimulants that can have a positive effect on fat burning, including theobromine and caffeine. It also contains a nice dose of oleic acid, which is a monounsaturated fat. Make sure to choose the 80% or higher cocoa levels.
7.Steel Cut Oats: Packed with fiber and whole-grain goodness, you can’t go wrong. Just be sure to avoid the processed, high-sugar instant junk out there and stick to any of the slow-cooked oats. Add a dash of cinnamon, vanilla, some walnuts, berries, some whey powder, & BAM! Good stuff, Maynard.
8.Green Tea: Not only does it contain a potent antioxidant, many scientific studies have linked green tea to increased fat burning, including a report in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition that found green tea extract boosted the daytime metabolism of test subjects by 35 - 43%.
9.Beans: Black beans, navy beans, re fried beans, and lima beans all have 6 or more grams of fiber per 1/2 cup.
10.Berries: Strawberries, raspberries and blackberries are loaded with fiber (which slows sugar absorption), and they’re packed with vitamins that can fight cravings (cravings can come from vitamin deficiencies).
11.Cinnamon: Researchers have found that cinnamon contains a type of antioxidant that increases insulin sensitivity and effectively helps to stabilize blood sugar. Bottom line… You’ll store less fat.
12.Chili Peppers: Studies have shown that the active ingredient in chili peppers and powder, something called capsaicin, increases calorie-burning, stabilizes blood sugar levels (which decreases fat storage), and is a potent antioxidant.
13.Yogurt: Most regular yogurt is bad for you. It’s loaded with sugar (real or artificial) that you want to avoid at all costs. However, Greek yogurts like Oikos Greek Yogurt (plain) are loaded with probiotics, and higher in proteins.
14.Wild Salmon: Hands-down one of the best belly-blasting foods because of its protein and high omega-3 fatty acid content. This is like a “double shotgun approach” to killing belly fat. Many people are deficient in omega-3s and when they add them to their diet tany extra fat can really start coming off.
15.Giant Turkey Legs: Allright, I’m not just talking about turkey meat (it is my fav), but any lean protein source is good. This includes wild salmon, free-range chicken, whey protein powders, and most especially grass-fed "free range" beef because it contains natural CLA — a fat that studies have actually shown to burn fat. The interesting thing about protein is your body will burn off as much as 30% of its calories after you eat it.
I like to do this Once per month (just to make sure I'm still alive), but you can do it twice a year if you want.
Do 1 set of pushups, chinups, & dips to absolute failure; then run 3 miles. Always Try to beat your prev time...
You'll be in a much better position to get the most from your 1st cycle, as your stabilizing muscles will be stronger. Those stabilizers are going to be supporting those bigger ones that your body won't be used to utilizing yet, after your cycle. You'll be more mature, and you'll know your natty limits; naturally.
At the end of 1-3 month/s of mixing in the above. Do this once before you start your cycle program! When finished, YOU WILL BE READY TO CYCLE ANYTHING YOU WANT!
Like Viking said, right now var, or any oral only would be a waste of time & $. Honestly, brother I've done a ton of shorter oral only cycles. Some great, some not so much so. (Mostly Halo, whilst on forced vacations;) You will prob pin, no matter what, it's just a matter of time. & finding the right time for you. It's 99.9% mental, by the way.
Still sprinting/running, tues, etc...
Monday & Wednesday Write Everything reps/sets/etc Down!
Pushups max reps in 60 seconds
Sit Ups max reps in 60 seconds
Pullups max reps in 60 seconds
Run 2 miles at least at an 8 min pace per. Although, you could prob walk that!
& After cycling, when you are all done with PCT. Do the max reps/run test again.
Remember to Write everything down...
Wear a (lightly - like 2-5 pounds light) weighted Vest, while running , and pushups...
Read my post. There will be something there for you. If not all of it, Do some of it, on your 1st cycle. That's one that I personally utilize. If you can't mix in the extras right away, DON'T, you will get hurt! Just do the basics, which are enough, and slowly mix everything in... Change is god. Good luck. Have fun... & Feel free to pm me, anytime...
If you need me, I'll in the picture lounge, masturbating to pics of Aburaihan test ;'(
http://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/workout-exercise/bet...
Nice sarge! job done
I had to log out last night due to time lag i have with you guys,i need my sleep to keep me looking young lol you have it all down here this will give our friend the results he is looking for without using thyroid drugs ( big no no i my book )PS enjoy that shake down to the aburaihan LOL
V.
sgtstedankoThanks, brotha! We missed you, on board. Sleep!? There's a novel concept; wish I could sleep for more than a couple hours per. Facial masks, sulfur masks, & prep h under the eyes for me : ) Yup, all it is is properly, putting in the hard work needed, not just in the weight room, but the kitchen as well. I agree completely about the thyroid drugs. I think a whole bunch of shit, not just the thyroid ones gets used way before it is actually NEEDED. I'm so suck of all the 20 somethings jumping the tren train, before they've even ran EQ, deca, mast, primo, etc, etc, etc... Anyways, Thanks again.
sgtstedankoThanks, brotha! We missed you, on board. Sleep!? There's a novel concept; wish I could sleep for more than a couple hours per. Facial masks, sulfur masks, & prep h under the eyes for me : ) Yup, all it is is properly, putting in the hard work needed, not just in the weight room, but the kitchen as well. I agree completely about the thyroid drugs. I think a whole bunch of shit, not just the thyroid ones gets used way before it is actually NEEDED. I'm so suck of all the 20 somethings jumping the tren train, before they've even ran EQ, deca, mast, primo, etc, etc, etc... Anyways, Thanks again.
Wow!
Awesome stuff. Thanks for taking the time here Sarge! I'll pm you if you dont mind, rather than me bulking out this thread
sgtstedankoYeah, that's why they pay me the big bucks
Not a problem. I don't mind at all. Just don't get all pissy if I don't respond right away. I leave my phone logged on, so it may look like in here, when I'm not...
I'm glad you posted this. Excellent info on the diet. Great post Sarg
sgtstedankoThanks Nitti : )
Just pin some test e.It looks a lot worse than it actually is.It looks like that that long ass needle jamming right into your muscle would hurt like a bitch.But suprisingly it doesn't hurt at all.Man up and pin that shit don't go all half assed.
It ain't the pain, its taking "that step". But its guidance from these forums that will give me the knowledge to make that informed decision without dicking it up! Cheers bro.
I have to agree with Viking as well. Whatever the phobia with pinning is will hold you back for as long as you allow it to. I can understand it man. I was the same way In the beginning. I wanted people to tell me "yeah sure it's ok to run Dbol only, Anadrol only. No problem". Obviously that don't happen. I finally got over the phobia by using a small pin man. I went in the delts only with a 25g x 5/8". Make it as easy and simple as possible until you're more comfortable. With that said I will give the only advice I can with a cycle virgin. Test only. Keep it simple. Pct then run your Clen after. Incorporate Anavar in your cycle once you get the bf down to 10% like Vik said. Run the test, pack on as much lean mass as you can (diet is key) and when you come off you should lose the excess water weight. Then you can start planning the Clen run. My $0.02. Good luck in whatever you decide. Lol, I like the title "ready for flaming".
Ha! yeah well, a good flame on here from the experienced guys is what stops us noobs getting burned for real...Its an interesting place to be mentally...from the standpoint of doing everything natty and getting so-so results to wanting to exceed that and considering aas, pinning just seemed a bit extreme. But i guess if im serious about working hard, serious about my aesthetic goals, ive gotta be serious about supplementation too...thanks for your 2cents dude!
IMO forget those compounds bro just not worth it, TRY THIS > up your daily protein intake to 2.2 grams pr 1lb bodyweight drop ALL carbs after 2pm keep your training as intense as possible with shorter rest periods! i guarantee that BF will melt off leaving you with the cuts you are looking for.
AnonI agree except dropping all carbs. Eat little carbs 10-20grams ED in the form of broccoli,zuchini,green beans or other vegetable.
Maybe I'm looking for a magic bullet, maybe i'm not training hard enough. I think its easy to get fooled into thinking "Product X" will be the answer to get rid of that bit of excess crap...I squat til my legs give up, I deadlift til my nose bleeds and 50 g carbs per day leaves me like a brainless zombie at work...
Are you saying not worth it because no effect or not worth sides or not worth it on a smaller frame or not worth it because the basics aren't right?
Cheers for the swift reply tho!
You only get the fantastic effects from var when bf is less than 10ish so for you at moment it would be pointless bro! by all means give it a whirl at that stage and you will no doubt benefit. Clen is a different beast you must be well geared up on ramping and tapering protocol to get good results and more importantly stay safe! that stuff taken wrong can make you feel like you are on the verge of a heart attack! and used wrong can bring one on.
Understood. I have researched the Clen tapering system (ramping, beta receptor saturation, ket etc) but didn't know i need to wait for the Var tho so thanks for that. I can source clen quite easily although am looking for albuterol also as it appears that it is less toxic, shorter half life etc.
Maybe worth stripping my carbs down as you suggest then giving the Clen/alb a blast later. Is it worth me doing eca in between Clen cycles? Cheers for your time on this bro!!
h23arkeep reading i was in the same position as you only a few weeks ago. stay for a little longer and you might change your mind.
Ha! Ive just found so many different views, but am going to do the research before anything is ordered or taken. SO. could you give me the benefit of your extra knowledge - what are your thoughts?