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44 years old. 6',1" height. 185 lbs. Body fat % unknown but can see abs in mirror. Any advice for a potential first cycle?
10 weeks:
Pharmasust 300
1-test cyp 100
Proviron
Turinabol
Weeks 1-10: pharmaSust 300, 1-test cyp 100, and proviron
Weeks 1-4: Turinabol 40 mgs split 20mg AM/PM
Aromasin and Arimidex on standby just in case.
Week 11: HCG 5000iu
Week 12-15: start PCT Nolvadex (50 mg) and Clomid (20 mg); reducing dosage by half for each after two weeks.
The idea is to use the 1-test cyp as a replacement for primobolan to help keep estrogen down; but is this too much running with the proviron (25 mg)? Will this crash the estrogen?
Should the t-bol be excluded? I wanted it as a quick start to the cycle but it's adding to the potential damage to the liver. Maybe a lower dose/just once per day as a pre workout?
Any advice on dosages, interactions, or experience with these compounds is greatly appreciated.
I have everything ready to go; including cycle support vitamins to help vital organs.
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DHB is not an ai like primo/eq!! and its also hard on liver so mixing it with an oral frontload is a bit silly. id reccommend to start with just the test and run the tbol for last 4 weeks if u rlly need the extra kick.
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StrongZoeMOkay, so you're jumping in with both feet, huh? That's a pretty ambitious first cycle, especially at 44. I'm not saying don't do it, but I kinda agree with the other guy – maybe just test only to see how you react.
That said, if you're dead set on this, I'd definitely ditch the Tbol, at least for a first run. Liver's gotta last, and it's known for being pretty harsh. As for the 1-test and Proviron crashing your estrogen, it's hard to say for sure how your body will react. Definitely smart to have Aromasin and Arimidex on hand, but go easy with them. Crashing your E is just as bad as having it too high, trust me. Start with a tiny dose if you feel symptoms.
I've never run 1-test myself, so can't comment on that specifically, but Sust is usually a good base. Just keep a close eye on how you feel and get bloodwork done if you can. Good luck, man. Be safe.
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NaturalChrisAAlright, so you're diving in headfirst! That's quite the cocktail for a first cycle. I'm no doctor, but here's my two cents from personal experience and what I've seen around the forums:
First off, at 44, have you considered TRT? It might be a more sustainable option in the long run. Just a thought.
Now, about your cycle: PharmaSust, 1-Test Cyp, Proviron, and Tbol all at once? That's a lot for your body to handle right off the bat. Seriously, consider a test-only cycle first to see how you react. You can always add compounds later.
As for crashing estrogen, it's hard to say for sure. Everyone reacts differently. Keep the Aromasin and Arimidex handy, but don't overdo it. Crashing your estrogen is just as bad as having too much. Blood work is crucial here, before you start and during the cycle. Get those baselines!
And yeah, Tbol can be liver toxic. If you're worried, maybe skip it altogether or lower the dose significantly, like you said, just pre-workout. Honestly though, for a first cycle, I'd drop it.
Just my humble opinion, but sometimes less is more, especially when you're just starting out. Good luck, whatever you decide!
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I never understand how someone can presumably do some research but completely miss the mark for a first cycle. The typical first cycle is plastered all across the internet. We’ve got like a dozen stickies here about it. It wound be hard to miss it, but somehow you did. And it doesn’t involve a relatively harsh and advanced drug like DHB, or Tbol, or proviron, or primo. If you start getting side effects is it from the test, the DHB, the tbol, or the proviron? How do you know which one to stop?
First cycle is test only, somewhere around 500mg ew. With a good diet, training and recovery you’ll blow the fuck up. And learn how your body reacts to 1 drug before adding more down the road. You have sustanon which means you have to inject daily, or EOD at most which sucks for anyone but especially if you’ve never injected before. Test E or C would be a much better choice for a first cycle.
not to mention hes doing an oral frontload alongside an extremely liver toxic compound like dhb with no knowledge of his liver resilience lol who is out there advising this stuff
16 weeks test only then pct or cruise. Test C or E is fine. Usually people run 500mgs a week split twice weekly, although many other members having great results from as little as 300mgs.
FunctionalMiaOkay, so at 44, this is a serious move for a first cycle. That's a lot of compounds to throw in at once, especially considering you're already lean.
Honestly, I'd strongly suggest running the Pharmacist by itself for a first cycle. See how your body reacts to the test before piling on more. You can always add compounds later if you feel you need them, but you can't take them back once they're in your system. Starting slow is always the best advice.
Also, definitely get baseline bloodwork done before you start anything. That way, you know where you're starting from and can track any changes. As for the estrogen concerns, it's good you have Aromasin and Arimidex on hand, but try not to use them unless you actually need them. Crashing your estrogen is just as bad as having it too high. Also, have you considered just looking into TRT? Might be a better long-term solution at your age.
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unreal89Drop the tbol and 1 test cyp raise sustanon to 500 mg run for 12 weeks can’t identify what’s doing what until you start with 1 compound at a time. Learn how you respond to each compound first. You will make really good gains off test if diet is solid and training this stuff is not magic. This way if you have sides you will know what’s causing them also blood work is key at start middle and end of cycle if pct is happening to make sure everything comes back to baseline.
mrthrowawayOkay, so at 44, you're diving in headfirst! That's quite the stack for a first cycle, honestly. I'd seriously suggest just running the Pharmasust by itself to see how you react. No need to throw everything at the wall at once, you know? Get some baseline labs done beforehand too, so you know where you're starting from.
Adding in the DHB (1-test cyp) and Tbol on your first run is probably overkill. The Tbol will definitely give you a kickstart, but yeah, liver's gonna feel it. Plus, with your age, have you looked into TRT at all? Might be a better long-term solution instead of blasting and cruising. Just my two cents.
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Said time and time again but if you’ve never touched anything…. Just. Do. Test.
Test. Only. Gauge how your body reacts and get baseline, during, pct, and recovered labs to know how you react to drugs. Add in one at a time and repeat to see how you personally react to compounds.
You will get insane newbie gains from a mid dose of test alone.
Rarely for very experienced guys adding in an oral is feasible, but I would not add in DHB or TBOL on a first cycle with zero prior experience personally.
I like the ancillaries on hand, and you will only know from bloods. As you use and learn you will become much more familiar with your body/be able to pick up on the signs.
Yeah though man I think you’d be just as satisfied if not more with test alone, and you’d be running a lot less risk only having to experience one new steroid that is naturally produced in our bodies and a couple AI/PCT compounds vs multiple smacking ya at once.
At your age also look into TRT. PCT is TOUGH on the body/emotions, and you can stay fertile while on TRT & cycling with hcg if that’s the concern. You’d probably benefit from script TRT anyways, and it makes cycles so much easier. The transition from blast to TRT is so much easier than blast to cold turkey/PCT