+ 2 First Cycle 26 5’10 165
I have been working out for about 10 years where I plateau pretty hard around 180lbs. I got my bench up to 305; squat to 395 ; deadlift 435. I am looking to start my first cycle and was looking for some potential advice. How does the below look (about the needle conversions; I read some people did this improperly on their first go so I decided to include)
Notes 12 week
- Test enanthate 300- base (150 2x week)
- Anastrozole (Arimedex) - Ai .25mg every other day
- HCG - Start week 4 500 iu per week (250 same day as test; separate syringe) 5,000 IU ÷ 3 mL = 1,666.7 IU per mL
Now for 500 IU:
500 ÷ 1,666.7 = 0.3 mL or 30 units (100unit insulin syringe)
- Tamoxifen (nolvadex) - PCT (start 2 weeks after last shot) weeks 1-2 40mg per day weeks 2-4 20mg per day
150 mg ÷ 200 mg/mL = 0.75 mL per injection
Test setup:
* 1 mL syringe (perfect size for 0.75 mL)
* Needle: 25 gauge
* Length:
* 1 inch (delts or thigh)
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You need to eat more or a cycle will be a waste. 165lb at 5 10, should be able to get higher without gear.
You don’t just take an ai for the fuck of it, a lot of people don’t need one esp with just 300mg of test, have it on hand in case. Also imo 300mg is a complete waste, do at least 500mg. Going through a shutdown to pct off 300mg is dumb af and yes there will be people disagreeing but that is my honest take.
Why not just get test dosed at 300mg/ml that way your vial is an even 10 weeks and an easy to draw up into .5ml shots. You'll still need 2 vials but you wont have to draw from two vials for your sexomd week 7 shot. At 200mg/ml a 10ml vial will get you 13.3 shots so 6.5 weeks plus an extra left over .25ml.
Actually just placed my order and was able to get the 300mg/ml bottle
Ranger3252Don’t take an AI unless bloodwork dictates as such. Delta, vent glutes and glutes if you can see in a mirror what you’re doing….no quads. Unless you want to walk like a pimp for weeks on end.
I wouldn’t run an AI with only 300 of test right away… that can cause a whole bunch of other problems in itself. Just something I have realized. Hope it goes good for you brother!
Don’t pin thighs on your first cycle. Delts and ventro glutes will be fine. Get more comfortable pinning before you go for the thigh. Virgin muscle pip and/or just messing up the pinning slightly and you’re gonna seriously wish you hadn’t pinned your thigh. Some experienced guys avoid thighs all together because the pain just ain’t worth it
Jrihard89I’d argue 100% different. Thigh is so much easier than delt for beginners.
Sitting off the edge of the bed and pinning thigh is cake. I’ll pin my chest before delts
Thigh is my favorite. I just know what my first ever experience with DHB brewed at 150 mg/ml pinned into my quad felt like. First time ever pinning quads at that. I was absolutely crippled lol. Once he gets comfortable pinning I’d say to go for it. But not as his first ever time jabbing himself with needles.
I think people also don’t realize “quads” is really more of on the side of your thigh like IT band area. And they go in at like 2-3 o clock into the rectus femoris instead of vastus lateralis
Jrihard89100%! Off to the side and I have it at an angle that hits the thickest part!
Delts I’ve fucked up so much on, scares me lol. Quads and glutes now a days. Back then I had chest too!
Funny enough IFBB pro Stu and I trained at the same gym and went to the same college. He won’t pin glutes! Which is wild easiest and best place to pin!
Haha, glad you said something. My thought process was to go there. Looks like delts and glutes are the way to go from the comments. Thanks!
Just make sure you are pinning towards the top and outside.
Good point!
I've never touched mine because of all the horror stories ive read about.
Hcg on cycle isn't wise. E2 conversion plus trying to turn on a lightswitch while you keep switching it off. Use between cycle and pct with proper ai dose
25x1 pin. Slin won't push proper doses in deep enough
I am going to disagree with you here Jock. Taking HCG while on Testosterone preserves fertility, prevents the balls from shrinking up, counteracts testicular shutdown. It mimics LH and keeps the testes producing and helps with libido. In fact it is often prescribed to men who are on TRT.
E2 is easily controlled by an Ai or other gear that binds to the estrogen receptors. Should not be an excuse to not use HCG.
The light switch is turned off if you use Testosterone and thats the point of HCG to turn it back on. Test turns if off on Monday, HCG turns it back on Tuesday and repeat. Works great I use it every week while blasting and cruising.
If you do not care about your balls being gone and not wanting to produce sperm then sure dont use it on Cycle or blast. Let them shrivel up to a pea and be useless.
Dave palumbos pregnancy protocol will work when the time is right unless you had fertility issues prior to using, but yea hcg is cool if you want and only really belongs on cycle or if you’re trying to have kids
Love this. Test as a first cycle should be a prerequisite. How many times have I read about people using multiple compounds for a first run when they have no clue how their bodies may react. Ancillaries covered, well thought out!
Solid plan, you’ve definitely done your research. I wouldn’t be afraid to extend the cycle to 16 maybe even 20 weeks if you’re still making gains and are healthy. When you feel like the gains are starting to plateau, or you’re too fat, or your health markers are poor is when you can call off the cycle. This might occur at 12 weeks, but I if your smart I bet you could go for longer.
Looks pretty good and the suggestions below are all spot on.
I would change your needle size as @Asa suggested. 28g to 29g 1/2 inch is plenty.
As the others suggested below, don’t start with using your Adex. You’ll potentially crash your e2 and that’ll suck. Have it on hand for sure.
As @irongame427 mentioned, you want clomid or enclosed added to your pct. This is as when people will use HCG.
HCG will cause your e2 to trend up when used.
Finally, since you’ll be shutting yourself down, I suggest you consider a higher dose. Even though I am a less is more kind of person, running a cycle is different then blasting and cruising.
Yah I agree here. Either up the dose or extend the duration, or both
Was planning on going 300mg for 4-6 weeks; and then bumping to 500 potentially depending on how I reacted. Thoughts?
My opinion is you are going to find out how you aromatize after 4 weeks and you are going to be fighting to get that back to equilibrium for a few weeks. Labs for e2 typically take about 10 days to get back. I waited until I dialed the e2 in which took me another 5 weeks with labs before I bumped to 500.
Just remember these are hormones and when you start throwing shit out of whack it’s kind of a storm you are fighting whether dick issues, acne, moodyness etc.
If everything goes perfect then by all means but from my own experience it wasn’t perfect and took tinkering and a few rounds of labs to get it right.
Are you using HCG during PCT? If not you need to add in Clomid 100mg a day for two weeks then 50mg a day for two weeks along with the Nolvadex. I didn't see Iron mentioned that below but yeah they have you covered man.
Only add I have for you is with pinning delts. You sound relatively lean, so to save your delts, use a slin pin 1/2" 29 guage and backload into it.
Your math came out to the correct amount for the test however, the formula for future referance is,
Desired dose"300" ÷ mg/mL "200" = 1.5
1.5 ÷ # of pins "2" = .75mL
Squared away bro, you did some studying
Everything looks fine except the adex. That could be the right amount, not enough or way too much. Do bloodwork after 4 full weeks on and see what you’d estrogen is. You may not need it. Post the bloods here and ask people for recommendations on how much adex to take if your levels are significantly elevated. And regardless you wouldn’t start that from day 1. It takes time for your test levels to rise which is followed by a rise in estrogen.
Pct, add Clomid or enclo. Nolva by itself is insufficient. With Clomid do 100/100/50/50. Enclo dosing is much less. You should do pre cycle bloods to see where your natural test is so when you do post cycle bloods you know if you recovered. If you need to know go to get cheap bloodwork without going to your doctor let me know.
The biggest thing is i think you’d be better off getting back up to 180 where you always plateau and then using gear to blast through the plateau. Why use gear with all the negative consequences of it to do something you can and have done naturally? If you start at 165 I don’t see you going much past 180 with this cycle. 15lb LBM gain would be damn near unheard of. So that seems like a waste. Get back up to 180 or whatever you can do relatively lean and then use this cycle to blast the fuck past that.
But food is key. If by plateau you mean you can’t gain any more weight past 180 then that’s a food problem and you need to eat more. Gear won’t solve that. But if you mean you gain past 180 but you just get fat then that’s a legit plateau in terms of muscle gain and you’re eating enough. Gear will help with that problem.
Spot on, Big bro !
I agree; I did a cut recently; I wanted to post my anticipated cycle to get some responses before ordering. I plan to get to the 175 range before starting.
And correct I would get to 180 and then I would see my body fat % start to climb. My BF% got to about 16 which is the highest I’ve had it. Typically I stay pretty lean around 10%
There is no reason to take an AI until you know how you are going to aromatize. Get your blood tested at the end of week 4 start of week5 and then decide if you need an AI.
You are lean and can get away with 29g 1/2 inch needles for your pins.
I don’t PCT so won’t comment on that.
I plan on getting my blood work done half way through week 6-7 and then again after cycle.
I received my labs early last week and everything was within normal range.
Do you still recommend I have an AI on hand just in case I do experience some estrogen related effects?
Always have an AI on hand but taking an AI just to take an AI is not it.
You will know your e2 is too high when your erections start getting softer and your skin gets oily as shit.