posted Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:55
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+ 1 First cycle
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500mg of test e
Aromasin as needed
50 mg of clomid eod
10 weeks of those then
One week of 300 mg test e
Then one week of 200 mg test e keeping clomid and aromasin the same
Pct is 2 weeks long with aromasin and clomid
Clomid everyday 100 mg first week 50 the second
Just want everyone's thoughts on this got it off the internet
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Thats great news! Definitely want to build a solid base and then take it from there.
Just to update you, I've gone through a tailored training plan and diet with the op here and he's leaving the gear alone for the time being. Sensible lad with a good attitude therefore I'm giving him a +1 to start his eroids journey.
Excellant news.. he has a good mentor with yourself brother.... +3
Thanks man I'm excited for Monday thanks to you
Guys I have done research! The one thing that's hard to find actual studies on is the effects of steroids on people my age! What's a good goal for me guys to shoot for before I do my first cycle and please don't say wait 5 more years, I can wait just not that long
Not going to put a time on it, but lets suggest a weight to obtain naturally. At 5-10 you should be thinking 190-200lbs naturally, that way you'll have a solid base to build from when the time comes.
There are plenty of people here that started gear very young, a lot if which were on TRT by the time they were 30.
I've done this before, and I'll offer you the same. You want to pack on the mass, I'll coach you with a workout routine and a diet that I guarantee will put weight on you. Theres a lad your age i did the same for in september, he's 15lbs heavier now. The deal is you leave the gear alone.
Deal? If so FR and pm me and lets sort you out.
Deal I would love to have you as my mentor
Drop me a line. I want to know what you eat on a daily basis and you're training routine ok? As much detail as possible.
Eat more and leave the gear alone, you're going to do yourself long term damage.
If you eat everything in your fridge like you said, you need a bigger fridge. It doesn't matter how much you tell me you eat enough, you obviously need to eat more.
AAS isn't magic. Without eating enough, it won't do what you're trying to achieve.
I'll help you out. Chances are, you aren't going to listen to them telling you know so better to do it safe than sorry.
But they are right, you should wait.
500mg test e weeks 1-12
Arimidex as needed, probably around .5 eod but as skinny as you are, probably wont need it.
Start pct 14 days after last shot and run 100mg clomid 1 week and then 50mg for two more weeks. so total 3 weeks of clomid, repeat 14 DAYS AFTER last shot.
Also, do not Taper off, dumb and pointless.
mr127superdeeThis is correct tho I reccomend having aromasin (exemestane) on hand and Arimidex (anastrozle) I knnow my first cycle i got a terrible reaction from aromas and it ruined my cycle I now know to use adex and I have heard many people have the opposite reaction so for the first cycle i always tell everyone spend the extra 30 bucks and have both on hand because an AI aloe will make or brake your cycle ex. I was taking 600mgs test e a week from a legit source and could not get my dick hard when test levels were well above 2000 because of the aromasins effects on my system...yes i do have the blood tests to prove it lol but listen to the plan ninjhun set up its perfect just have both ais on hand
Oh wow, i've never heard of that and yeah high estro will KILL your erections lol Sounds like a good idea to have both on your first cycle with what you went through.
mr127superdeeweird thing is estro was in the 20s but ya i think you get the point lol
For the aromasin would 10 mg eod be a good starting point if needed
mr127superdeethe truth is we are in an unregulated black market period. You will have to experiment with the aromasin on your own find your right dose because chances are the aromasin you are getting thats 12.5 mg a pill just for example is more likely 10.5 or 14.5 mgs do yoou follow for example if you took purchase peptides aromasin at 10 mgs eod i can almost guarantee youd be in the doctors office tring to figure out why you have zero estro in my opinion this is worse than high estro.
But lets make this easy high estro IS better than no estro when you experience both you will understand why. so chill go slow when you see or feel a lil side nipple sensitivity maybe excessive acne start with a Small dose of aro. e3d like 6.25 for a week if that is not working bump it to 10.5mgs e3d or 6.25mgs eod move up slow aromasin is a chemotherapy type drug that is given to breast cancer patients you do not want more than you need in your body!
Not everybody wants to be on TRT by the time they turn 25 like how you are, so stop giving youngins advice, especially shitty advice like this. Obviously his problem isn't lack of testosterone it's lack of eating and natural training.
Anyone with time and a brain can figure out a typical beginners cycle. Saving him time on that is nothing. Truth is 99% of people aren't going to listen to what a stranger says on the computer, we both know that.
I'm on TRT due to long term medical problems, not due to my aas usage. Good try though.
He asked for advice, not to be parented. Rather safe than sorry. I sure bet quite a few people on this forum can say they wish they were given proper knowledge beforehand that ARE on trt now due to lack of that knowledge.
mr127superdeeim with you by the way im on trt from prohormones bought from gnc go figure thats what being "uneducated got me" if i would have followed a regimine that you laid out for this kid its possible that i would be ok.....Im with you ninjuh37
Okay well you and your TRT buddy should stop encouraging steroid use amongst young adults.
He came here for information, he doesn't know if he really wants to juice or not, he may feel like steroids are the only answer, which it certainly is not and you two are reassuring him otherwise. You should really show some discipline on these forums, you're setting a bad example.
Hey man is that really what happens when you take testosterone ? You end up needing trt
Yes, that is what happens to individuals like you who abuse AAS in hopes to get big quick at a young age.
Is it my age or my knowledge that's the actual problem?
Bro, I started researching steroids from a few months after I started training at 21. Was always tempted but decided it was best to wait until I hit a plateau and got a little older. Didnt actually use gear for the first time til I was 25. So your age and knowledge are both problems. You have to learn to train and grow naturally first.
I see little 20 year olds at my gym who it's obvious they are on gear, and you can tell they've never put in the man hours needed into building a strong natural physique before they touched roids. So the result is, these guys look very tacky... Their muscles look fake and bloated, also very weak and will probably deflate the second they lay off the juice. Is this who you want to be like? What is the big rush to start fucking with your body's hormones? You say you wanna be a bodybuilder? I know a guy here on this site who eats 5 pounds of meat a day, along with carbs from sweet potatoes, wheat, veggies, etc. He is in his early twenties and he has never used gear before. Dude looks like a beast, and if definitely laying down the ground work for later in life when he does come "on"
As you said earlier you don't want to waste money on supplements, well you don't have to. Just start taking in 5,000 calories a day and let us know how much mass you've gained off that in six months from now. Your older self will thank you for waiting.
Also guys that photo is of me weighing 143 it's the only one I had on my ipad it's a year and a half old now I weigh 166 and I've been at that weight for half a year I've stalled
My dream isn't to be another guy you see in a p90x commercial I wanna be a bodybuilder
I know I look like a stick! And it's like I haven't tried what you guys have said to try I've been working out for 3 years and I know that isn't the 5 years everyone recommends, I'm just growing tired of eating everything in my fridge and going to the gym just to see the same weights I was using last month. I just wanted everyone's thoughts on the cycle and not on me. I've done research and I felt this was an ok cycle to start with even if I wasted a little money on clomid. Better then wasting my money on jack3d or some other supp.
I understand what you mean by wasting money on supplements, and wanting the most bang for your buck. But these guys are right, you can't eat 2 fast food meals a day and expect to build that granite muscle you've been dreaming of. My friend had the same problem, he'd be wondering why he wasn't gaining weight and it was because he would literally only eat like a lunch and dinner.
Anyway you're also only 20, impatient probably but you have a lot to learn. Your cycle layout looks like shit as well, so you can use the next 5 years researching a better one, and sticking with your natural build and a solid food plan. Good luck young Jedi.
Can you tell me what needs to be changed with the cycle is the pct to short should I use hcg? Is my cycle to short? is there no need for the clomid while on cycle ?
UFODumb as shit. At age 20 you have peak natty test and gh levels and DO NOT need gear. You look like a stick bro, you could no shit gain 30 lbs in 6-12 months with a solid diet and training. Do your nuts a favor and wait
first of all you are to young to run anabolics. your natural test is high enough as it is. if you can't gain weight now it's your diet and that means post cycle you are going to loose all your gains. as a result wasting your money and your time and possibly messing up your hormones. second you don't run clomid during your cycle. i'm not giving you any more info until you do some research on here.