Drop some knowledge on me, please
30 yrs old
215ish
6'3"
12-15% BF
been training for years
1st 2 cycles were test only but a long time ago
Just finished my 3rd - 10weeks
250 sus e8d
200 deca e4d
10mg aromasin ed
-one week after last pin dev gyno so I ramped up letro then tapered down b4 PCT
PCT
Clomid 100/75/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Aromasin 10mg ed
I haven't fully recovered from my cycle. Apparently, the deca shuts me down hard. All my PCT and AI came from the same source, so I am thinking it may not be a potent as listed. Will be changing where I get them.
So, I have right about 4 months (cycle + PCT = time off) and I am trying to gather as much info as I can before I start ordering.
My goal is to continue adding muscle but I want to get really hard/dry. My diet is pretty solid but my sweet tooth stops me from really leaning out. I can post my current diet if needed, but it changes every 30-45 days.
I am thinking of running test, tren, and var. From reading I was thinking 210mg/week test for 10 weeks, 350mg/week tren, 5 weeks var 80mg/day. So, test week 1-10, tren 3-10, and var 6-10. What do you think?
Another question, being that deca shut me down so hard should I expect tren to do the same (19nor)? Also, I was thinking of caber 1mg/week but what type and dose of AI should I use on cycle? I think this time, 250iu HCG 2x weekly for 6-10 to assist is necessary.
Any help is appreciated.
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Thank you all for the advice and information
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done, but I got schooled nonetheless.
No probs... nice to have manners and show respect though hey son.
Where did you come up with 10mg aromasin? Aro is generally dosed in 12.5mg and 25mg increments. You sure it was legit aromasin? If it is legit, 10mg ed is a little high to run it and it most definitely wouldn't have lead to signs of gyno the week before pct. Unless it was prolactin induced from the deca. I see you neglected to include any caber with that run. Need to get back in the class room and do some more studying before you jump on your next cycle. Good luck.
Yes, I believe the deca was the cause of the gyno symptoms. I did have letro on hand incase. My aromasin is 25mg/ml but I am a member on another board and there was an extensive writeup on the effectiveness of aromasin at low dose. It was his thought that for a beginner 10mg should do the trick. It was my fault for not doing more homework on deca to know it converts into something else.
Well you're in a good place now brother. Lots of very knowledgable guys around here. We've all made mistakes, the key is to learn and try not to repeat them. I'm mean, I'm not on TRT because I ran perfect cycles that's for damn sure.
Nevermind, I see I can order BW myself.
scootertrampYes. Its easy to do. Good luck and keep us updated.
Couple questions. This thread is going to end up needing to be moved to Q&A section.
I should test my levels of test now? Again in 3 months to see how well I have come back? I am pretty sure my homeostatic levels are within normal ranges but probably on the lower end of the spectrum for my age.
I also need to do a female panel now. Shouldn't I want a small amount of estrogen in my labs?
What do I do if my test levels are low?
scootertrampThe results will show where you are and yes, you need some natural estrogen. Without it you'd be miserable. Too high or too low will show on test. Prolactin test too because males have no need whatsoever for it. So if its above normal, you can have libido issues etc. Then before you start a cycle test again to make sure you're recovered.
Yes, hindsight is 20/20 and I had tunnel vision with shooting. I see I needed something for progesterone with the deca. As far as my sus pinning, it was taken on the advise of a local friend who has been on cycles for 3+ years. I see now that doesn't make him an expert nor should I take the advise of anyone without looking for other opinions.
As far as BW goes, does a DR have to say to get one or can I just stroll into labcorp and pay out of pocket? I will be planning everything better as I can see I did not do things correctly.
scootertrampFirst off your cycle shows no planning or knowledge of compounds and proper use of ai, anti prolactin, or hcg. Where's your caber? Why did you run improper doses? Why is it mishmashed? Just throwing compounds together gives those crappy results. Improper cycle lengths as well.
I'd suggest a proper First Cycle of test e only with proper Ai and pct.
Proper time off : Time on + PCT = time off. However, you're gonna suffer a while while your axis gets back on track. Get a bloodtest and pist it asap. Privatemedlabs.com female hormone panel...because its cheaper. ADD PROLACTIN SCREEN.
Knowledge dropped. Boom!
Also, what type of tren and test should I be running?
You shouldn't touch a compound like tren until you've got much more experience and knowledge about AAS. Tren is a serious compound, you make the same sort if mistakes you have on this cycle and you're going to be in a world of hurt.
To be honest with I can't work out what you were doing with your recent cycle, sust every 8 days????? Is that correct it a typo???? No caber etc. shows a lack of knowledge about what you were doing.
Homework time I suggest. Get some bloods done in 3 months to check how you're recovering before you start planning anything else, deca recovery can be lengthy.
scootertrampNo tren....you failed this cycle. Smh!