Double Edged Sword: T, Tren, and Drol
The greatest cycle I ever ran was test, tren, and anadrol. As we all know (or should know), this is some serious shit and is not by any means 'healthy'. This specific stack had me looking and feeling like a monster... I was lean, big, vascular, strong.... and got more sex than I could even handle. I felt like a god. I was also young and stupid, so I of course believed I WAS a god (SMDH)...
If there was a 'smart way' to run this stack, how would a vet recommend it be done? Say.... 250 Test EW, 500 Tren EW, and 50 anadrol ED? Six weeks?
I have read that anadrol doesnt convert to E2, rather that it has an E2 rebound effect... In essence, it supposedly converts to estro after having been stopped. IDK if this is accurate, but it is what I have read.
Also, the new theory on Test and tren is that tren should be ran higher than test. Correct?
And lastly... assuming that the anadrol E2 conversion theory is correct, and the test is kept so low, how much need is there for an anti-estrogen? I'm sure that prami or another anti prolactin would be needed to combat the tren...
In conclusion, we all KNOW that this stack is a risky one. But I am just trying to compile some good advice on how it could be done as 'safely' as possible. thanks yall
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I wouldn't run Tren that high if I were you. If you're looking to bulk, which is what I'm assuming based on the compounds, then I would run 500 - 600 mg/week of Test with 300 - 400 mg/week of Tren. Adrol dosage looks fine, you could bump it up a little if you want, but I would run it 2 weeks on 2 weeks off.
Tren is potent, and harsh, no reason to run that high. and I would run an AI, Aromasin is my favorite, but also the most expensive, but if you're going to run Adex, I would do .25mg E3D
That last paragraph is a little illogical... Asin/adex will do nothing to combat prolactin sides from tren... He'd need caber/prami.
Also curious as to your suggestion of running tren lower than test... Why? At 25 how many tren cycles do you have under your belt?
caber and prami are a new topic to me... i have never used either. when i used to take tren, i was so uneducated on the stuff that i didnt even KNOW about the anti prolactin drugs.
fromwhat i have been studying, it sounds like both caber and prami can have some bad sides.. such as feeling like hell and being sick.
Which of the 2 do u recommend, and how did u feel while on it? ty man!
Some people get away with never needing to control prolactin, but unless you know for sure you're one of those people it's always best to keep it on hand.
I've only ever had experience with prami, so I can't comment on how caber affects me. I've often seen caber preferred to prami due to less sides, so hopefully someone with experience using both compounds can attest to that. I can definitely tell you that prami is a PITA to deal with, and the sides I've experienced are cloudy mind, inability to focus, and some severe nausea... However i take it before bed and tend to skip out on those sides. There were a few times I missed a dose and took it in the AM... Spent a few hours feeling like a sick zombie lol.
RustyhookerBoom! Yup! Prolactin is not estro.
+2
I started running cycles at 20, way to young, but here we are. I've run 2 of only Test and Tren, and incorporated Tren into a few others.
Tren is very strong, and will give some nasty sides even with the best cycle at too high a dose. I got up to 800mg/week like an idiot and it was unpleasant. This was from 'bro science' instead of actual research.
I agree on your prolactin comment, but I was just trying to answer his question.
I'm not understanding this post. You open by saying you've run this combination and had great results. Then you ask the best way to run this stack? If you've already done it with great results, why ask how to do it?
yes, i had good results off of it but i was young, and the estro/prolactin sides didnt seem to happen back then. But they do now, for whatever reason... so what i am asking in this post is, which drugs work best for combatting the prolactin effects of tren?
Honestly brother tren is a fucked up drug I know that and I have never touched it. I used it's little brother nandrolone and it tore me apart emotionally and physically during pct. I was a fucking wreck crying in the middle of the mall fucking not being able to sleep no appetite I mean just a strait fucking shit show and the dose was low as fuck 250 mg a week with 500 mg test cyp a week. Seeing as how tren is way more potent than deca I can't imagine the mental distress and physical downfalls one woukd go through using this drug. If it's as strong as people say I'd probably end up comitting suicide during pct.
In conclusion I'd say don't touch it again. Leave that shit alone sick with simple cycles testosterone dbol shit of that nature those two drugs make me feel amazing and the pct blues aren't that bad and you can go either way with testosterone good bulking or good cutting depending on your diet. Tren is obnoxious and flat out irresponsible in my honest opinion.
Yo man, if youre prone to hormone changes then u have to come off and stay off that. Even test will mess your manliness up. Your pct was what? Im curious to know. If you dont mind sharing what you took after your last shot cuz this is a fairly rare occurance. In my world any ways.
I've never had the same problem with test masteron anadrol anavar or dbol which are the main things I run.
I did a standard pct protocol clomid nolva 4 weeks 100/40 2 weeks 50/20 2 weeks was told I should have stretched it out and to do so in the future but I plan to never touch it again. That pct works for every other cycle I have ran I get bloods before during and after so I know where my levels are and they were shot after the deca and instead of doing something about it I moped around until I started to feel better I was also Alot younger I started using aas at 19 years old unfortunately I didn't have the kind of guidance that's on here I had a friend who was 230 pounds jacked the fuck up so I tooK his advice lol
How can you have an opinion on a compound you've never used? ...how would you know if it's a fucke up drug or not? ...tren is as easy to handle as any other steroid in my book it just has more potential to be problematic. But that's my OWN experience. Can't comment on how someone else might react. But seeing as you have no experience with it. Anything you say about it is all here say. And just adds to this mythical stereotype about trenbolone that's pirated around so much.
So I'm simply speaking on my experience with 19 nor derivative. If the deca bit me in the ass I'm almost positive tren would.....
Short answer, no. They are 2 completely different compounds.
Not taking the chance dude
Suit yourself. More for me lol ..but honestly just because you reacted poorly to nandrolone, that is if in fact you can troubleshoot your life accurately and can pinpoint nandrolone as the culprit. Not prolactin or progesterone increase as a result or e2 out of wack ect, doesn't mean all 19-nors will yield the same outcome. For instance dianabol and eq are basically the same drug, structure wise. But as you know, that small shift made in the structure makes a huge difference as how the drug acts in ones body. Id say either man up and run it yourself so you can have a fist hand experience and your opinion on it has some validity or don't ever use it, but all surrender all opinions about it until you do have first hand experience.
It is just something I wouldn't do after weighing options the possible side effects ts of tren far out weight the pros of tren so yeah I can give the opinion about it and I will consistently give that opinion whether you or anyone else like it or not? I'm man enough to admit I'm terrified of the shit which is something Alot of people can't say on here because of how inflated their egos are
Good day kap
If you do chose to comment on a tren related topic in the future just make sure to state that you don't have any personal experience with it. It's fine to tell a guy that from your research you wouldn't run it, just be sure to make that clear.
I said I didn't run it in my post bro lol
Woah woah woah lol buddy... Why are u raging on dudes for sharing thoughts and opinions lol... K first and foremost tren is a dope drug, IF IT SUITS YOU, and for u kapsize it clearly does. It does however fuck other people up... And ive ran the same cycle you are running and i personally dont think anyone needs any more then 500mgs of any enethate compound per week unless ure frank mcgrath or another horse of a human being BUT TO EACH HIS OWN. I think your cycle is spot on... But someone earlier said to go high on the test... If u want fullness then yes but if youre gona get massive from ure abombs then keep your tren high and ure test half of it to keep you lookin lean mean and grainy while still filling out all your shirts... Again it goes without being said your diet plays a major role too but if u keep feeding your body which ever direction you want it to go in then thats the way itll go.
As far as caber and prami go... Ive had both for over 2 years and im pretty sure theyre ready to be thrown out... Ive never had prolactin problems. Keep it on hand if u start releasing juices from ure nippies then u know u got problems... And uve ran it already so u should know your bodys capabilities. As far as dex goes ive always started it around the 5-6 week when i start feeling snoozy during my days and half a cap mon, wed, fri, and sat night.
Get er done buddy and tren hard to look good naked!
Ps to everyone else: u can run tren for up to 6 months with minimum sides as long as you dont abuse it and follow the right protocalls. Its one hell of a drug, but again it works for some and fucking just obliterates others so if you start feeling like shit around your 5-6th week... Bruh it aint for you!
Yes, I can handle high doses of trenbolone relatively easy. How do I know? Because I have first hand experience with doses ranging from 20mg/day up to 150mg/day. To some that might not sound too hefty of a dose. Many guys can run 300mg/day no problem. But to most, 150mg/day of trenbolone would make most tap out.
And at the same time other guys respond horribly and cannot take any amount of tren in their system. Simply their body and/or mind can't take it. And how do we know this? From THEIR first hand experience. Commenting on a tren thread, with no personal experience, but commenting on how fucked up a drug it is and how "bad" it is, just reinforces the stereotypes about tren and how "scary" it is. It really isn't, IMO. Those same pirated beliefs about tren, much of which are pirated by people who've never used it, like this guy, just adds to the misconception about trenbolone. The comments that guy is making, are probably the same type of comments that turned him off from ever trying it himself, and now he's pirating the same information with no basis of credibility... That's the issue.
Who the fuck runs tren for 6 months straight? Ya do that for a number of years and see how that goes.
GH15 writes about its long term use. Take what he says with a grain of salt if you choose. But many of his other writings have spot on credibility to them, so IMO that makes his comments on tren use more credible than not. He writes tren can be run like 150mg/day+ for 6 months straight.. He only recommends coming off for mental health.. And according to him, AAS won't be fatal. Even long term tren use. Although having non-aromatizing compounds in the blood for long bouts of time cannot be good for lipid levels. Only combining Rec. drugs like painkillers, uppers ect. And/or diuretics with AAS can be a fatal combination.