deca/sust cycle?
I am thinking of trying a cycle of deca and sustanton probably 250-300 mg twice a week of each. In the past I have only tried anadrol 50's alone and stacks of d-bol and test-e 600 mg a week. I have had very good gains but the last test I ran into I had a reaction to.
The D-bol just made me retain tons of water so I would rather just work into the shots. no need to kick start anything because I grow fast enough as it is.
Do any of you vets have advice (good or bad) on mixing these two compounds? I know sust. is a blend of test so that covers that end, but I am nervous I cant find any decent deca after reading the reviews on the products page. does anyone recommend anything else for some nice lean muscle mass? I am really not big on the water retention.
Any replies are welcome but I would really like to talk to someone with experience via pm.
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tread-mAlright well juice threw up your stats for you and if current I put that with your "I grow very easy" comment and age I guess I missed something. If growth is the goal then I don't mind a testE/deca run but you have to get that bf down. You only weigh 166 at 18% bf so what I see is you're simply not doing the real work in the kitchen. Until you do that none of this matters at all or you run a cycle that gets you to 185 at what...20% bf? Those are not gains they are steps back because by the time you cut the crap off of your body you have a net loss. I think you spend 30 days in the kitchen working the carbs, get the bf down to 10 (easily done if serious) and then you run the test/deca 600/400 split, caber and aromasin on hand with your proper pct for later and make this happen. Its a 14 weeker running the deca 12 and the test E 14. """IF""" you get this kitchen figured out, which is where the real work is, then you totally recomp with the right diet and training and in 128 days your best friend won't recognize you in a crowd. Research the diet for your goal or get with me, pretty nice list of failure up there and the bf to prove it so its time to get serious and quit fucking yourself, thats the IRS's job.
Tread-m, I totally agree with you on killing the body fat. I am researching while I am working on it. most of that is water as well. I tore my knee and have been sitting around up till last week watching the kids play. I normally get into the gym daily for a couple months before even thinking about running any sort of AAS. I dont want to spend a bunch of money and put high octane fuel in a poorly running ford pinto
I do need to get a better BMI measurement because that was just a quick measurement to not leave my stats empty. I just hopped on the scale at 162 and that is just jogging 1.5 miles a night for 4 days. what would give you guys the best idea of BMI? I can post some pictures I guess. you can see my ribs and top four abs. I have trouble gaining weight and went from 132 to 174 on my biggest gain (first cycle)and there was no fat involved in that one.
I'm sorry for giving you guy's half info to run on followed by a bunch of questions. I will be much more descriptive in my reply's from here on out. I really would like to talk diet and nutrition with someone because I normally just stick to lean meats (chicken and tuna) and dark greens (spinach, asparagus, brussel sprouts).
I have trouble keeping weight on, that is what made me seek out AAS in the first place years ago. I can be bean pole skinny in three weeks just running at night, I just hate being that thin. I normally run 20 min after every workout to keep the fat off me.
I have a good chunk of money put aside for a very strict diet and I don't need a cheat day either. I was planning on packing the fridge with food for my diet tomorrow (wednesday). If you wouldn't mind talking diet with me I would love to write down a strict plan to stick to. I gain and lose weight incredibly fast.
tread-mFriend and PM me. That water weight if thats a lot of what you have is easy. Drink water, nothing but water and lots of it starting now and cut the salt out of your diet. I n some instances as much as I don't like to push it I employ water pills for a few days. I'll do that in conjunction with the above if mine pops up and the bp comes with it. Sounds like you're ready to do this brother, good for you.
Hey brother you take his money i have no need for that, but i get the fridge when its fully stocked!! sound like a good deal ???????
tread-mHalf of each for us brother, homies for life! He never saw it comin....
Tread, I PM'ed you but can't send a message probably until you accept. I got half a gallon of water in me now...:)
Just because i'm not ripped doesn't mean I can't protect my fridge ;)
tread-mMix should be a ratio that is less deca over test in mg's to help prevent deca sides. What are your stats and goals?
Sustanon is fine to use brother, keep in mind though, it is best injected EOD, other wise if you inject it once or twice per week your not making the most of the propionate and isocaproate esters. Im not a fan of dbol either. But... I have to use whatever is on hand.
If you use deca or eq, keep the dose "at or under 600mg per week" and you shouldnt have an issue
Forget tren so early in the game.... It can mess with people more than any other steroid.
If you dont get along with test of any kind, its fine to run just 250mg of it per week, and use an anabolic or two to get the job done.
I wont post cycles in the open forum, because everyone is so different, PM me so we can discuss your stats, goals, previous drugs used ect.
Just because you had a bad run with test doesnt mean you wont gain either mate. Plenty of people have build fine physiques with low dose test and just deca, primo or, eq.
I did not mean to give the impression I have a problem with test, it's my favorite:) I just got a hold of a bottle of test 300 that had a high concentrate of benzyl alcohol to it that swelled my glute up 4 solid days at a time and tight like a pumpkin. The only real sense I can make of it is that it was a reaction to the benzyl alcohol. The previous bottle of test 250 worked great. if sust should be shot EOD I might just stick with test-E since I am very happy with the previous results. I have read up on EQ and it will probably be my next test drive. :)I will send you a pm in a bit. I am on my iPhone...
haha, ive been crippled by those test 400 blends ect, pinned both my delts one day and it was like the old esciline haha. looked pretty good though.
I get moody on sust because of the up down from it, test e or c is a better option.
so that major swelling was not a bad reaction just too concentrated? or that is just part of the game? I figured the huge swollen allergic reaction was a bad thing..lol!
naa just too much benzyl alcohol, pharma grade sust hurts my delicate little delts too haha.
I dont feel anything most of the time when i pin now. I had a gorgeous nurse sit me down years ago and show me proper injection and sterilizing technique. That was where the problem lied!! me!!!
mine is definitely a reaction. I have been through a lot in my life and this is more like an allergic reaction to a bee sting. I also had a nurse show me how to pin and I normally have my wife do it for me when I can.
clean and sterile everytime. my other reason for looking for a more reputable source.