posted Wed, 06/04/2014 - 17:55
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Hey guys about to start up a Test C and Deca cycle. Want to throw in another compound and been reading a lot but im torn between Dbol, EQ or Primo. Which would you choose and why? Or even better have you ran this combo before?
This will be my 5th cycle, looking to bulk and put on as much as possible because ill be bumping up a weight class in bodybuilding. I know a lot of people like the dbol with this cycle but i tend to stay away from the orals when i can, also i dont like the bloated feeling at all so worried dbol is just going to amp that up.
Ive read a lot of posts on the individual compounds but I want some opinions comparing the 3 in this cycle. Thanks in advance!
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So whats up Alpha55 what are you gonna do?
Well, you are here, now. And, you've made yourself known. Furthermore, it may not matter, but, when will u be 25 years old?
here you go,
first pic is post show, second pic is present.
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AnonNowhere near experienced enough to give advise but wow that is impressive. You obviously have a very good work ethic & great genetics on top of it. Real BB potential. Hopefully one of our pros here will take notice
I have to give you props on a very nice physique. You obviously have put in time and have true potential. There is a wealth of info here on individual compounds and literally pros all over. +1
You look great bro. Impressive. Congratulations. You have many years ahead of you, always try to think of longevity in the sport. Don't let coaches and trainers convince you to start getting extravagant with your cycles - a lot of them just want clients in the win column.
I've actually never had a coach or trainer besides when I played football. Other than that I've learned everything on my own it just happened to be the dumb people I know were running cycles when they were 18 and 19 even had talked me into starting and I knew absolutely nothing about it. They are still complete jackasses and it actually try and advise them at least with the little I know. They don't even know how to measure a dosage, I asked the one guy a few months ago how much he was running and he answers me with how many ml he is injecting a week yet he didn't know how many mg/ml were in there.
About trainers - it's natural to assume that when driven and motivated we push ourselves to the limit. You do legs - you feel like throwing up - you think - good workout. Now a good trainer - a pro - currently competing as a pro - can take that leg workout to a level of torture you couldn't even imagine until you experience it. IMHO, worth its weight in gold for the right guy. And, of course, that same guy most likely is a fountain of information on chemicals as well.
I wish there was someone in my area. I cant even get someone to do my workout with me. finding a good partner is harder then finding a good ol lady
OMG i know man. The only person I take to the gym is my gf bc shes a competitor too but we dont lift together. I lift alone bc nobody I know is as serious as me. Everyone wants to have their little bro groups and chat and slowly make their way through a workout and that just pisses me off. It sucks though bc sometimes i really wish I had that more experienced guy that would get in my face and push me. Shit i dont even ever have a spotter lol
The last good workout partner I had was 15yrs ago : (
Ive never had a good one the entire time I've been lifting. Ive had training partners, but there the kinda guys who like o bullshit for 5 minutes between sets and make a hour workout into 3. IT must be nice to have someone to push you hard in the gym. Oh well one day ill find someone lol.
steroid abuse at its finest, you look good, but at what cost?
Lol now I see where you can say that bc I got into this too young. But I didn't list anywhere what my dosages were on any of these compounds. I've never ran what most people would consider a high dose. The highest thing I've ran is test c at 500mg. So abuse? I wouldn't say so. The reason people came to me and offered me steriods to begin with was a result of me getting my diet in line and training harder for 6 months and I had gotten so much bigger they thought I was already juicing.
look mate, its my opinion, tren, deca what ever, its abuse, thats my opinion, you got others who will help you, not me, good luck.
Fair enough man I understand your point. Honestly idc how old anyone is I would never recommend roids to anyone. I believe it's a personal choice that someone should consider for awhile without people pushing them into it bc I know I made that mistake.
all good mate, not having a go at you or disrespecting anybody, just my opinion is all, your obviously killing the gym and you look good, i just try to warn younger dudes, and im only 29 myself, i started young and dumb and i regret it all, i just hope you actually cycle and come off and pct etc, good luck mate..
steroid abuse will never get you to look like that, sorry but it takes more then steroids.
and what are you basing abuse on that he started to early because there is not enough information in this thread for anything else.
im basing it on the fact hes 24, hes ran multiple cycles including tren and deca, just my opinion bro.
You need to reel yourself in, its not YOUR job to float around the board pouncing on people, bashing and passing judgment... IT'S MINE!
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lol 24 yo troll.
why is it that people around here get some karma and think they are above the law? what part of the warning was not clear? I guess you just dont want to be here! LOL...later on dude!
The pic looks like a lower BF%. I could be wrong. Just something i see....
The first pic is probably 5-6% idk I was tested at 5% by a trainer but those tests aren't all that reliable. Right now I'm more like 11-12% I believe so the bottom picture I weigh 250 but my stage weight was 206 however I was under carbed and a little too dehydrated, I think i would have looked better around 210-212
Okay. That makes more sense regarding my observations. Thanks.
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how long until your next show? how long you been off cycle? whens the last time you had labs? are you still natty?
I'm off the rest of this year, next show won't be until next spring. I want the time to bulk, really need the work on my lower back and want the time to build some great legs. Off two months right now and my doc apt is in a week. My last cycle was ran 12 weeks during my prep. Forgot to mention I'm gyno prone also and will have to be running adex at .5 mg ED, was running .5 EOD last time and that wasn't enough.
how have you recovered from 19nors in the past, how long did you run deca last time and at what dose?
gyno prono and D-bol =no bueno
primo is not a compound that is line with your goals.
I take 19nors very well. I don't get too many of the unpleasant sides and recover pretty well. Granted I dropped the tren and deca a week, or two actually I think it was, prior to dropping my test but about two-three weeks post cycle I'm back to normal. I've only ran the deca at 300mg so pretty damn low so recovery was probably easier. I mentioned in a post above highest I've ran was test c 500mg but just remembered that's incorrect as I ran that tren at 700mg after I knew I tolerated it well. I've got everything written down at home but all these cycles were shorter ones between 8-10 weeks with the exception of the last one running 12. I wouldn't be super opposed to a tren bulk again but I'd like to see how the deca goes bc the tren just had me drenched in sweat while I lifted even on just an arms day and if I hit I super set I'd be trying to catch my breath like I had just been doing sprints.
Ok so the guys running the test deca primo cycles are cutting I take it is what you're saying?
Also do you see a benefit to test deca EQ? Or is this magic synergistic effect with the deca and EQ something they're dreaming up? I was kind of under the impression previously EQ was ran more during cutting as it has that hardening effect but the more I kept reading the more guys were agreeing it was good with the deca.
Honestly If you don't see enough benefit from any of the three I'll just stick with the test and deca. Like I said I know nothing but jackasses in real life so I don't really have anyone to get advice from.
my opinion is that primo would be wasted along side deca and it is not a compound I would recommend for bulking, primo is widely known for polishing and being ran with dry compounds. It is generally ran closer to contest from my knowledge, some of the guys that actually BB may be able to dial you in better with primo. It is a compound that needs to have a strict diet to see the benefits.
it is largely debated that EQ and deca compete for the same receptors and running them together is a waste. I have ran deca and EQ together and liked the cycle. I have also ran NPP first 8 weeks until EQ kicked and then finished at week 16. both cycles where good. But I dont cycle to compete so my goals are somewhat different.
EQ is known a patient mans steroid, ive ran it now 4 times I think I would have to say I like it a lot. by itself I get little sides from it, no estro problems. and I like that it kicks later in the cycle because mentally it makes me feel like I havent hit dips in my cycle like I experience running D-bol as a kicker. EQ does heighten tren sides for me.
EQ is in general not a hard compound to recover from and can be/should be ran longer then say 19nors. if you are gonna remain in this lifestyle I would recommend getting acquainted with EQ on a much more personal level. it is a compound that can be used in bulking or cutting diet controlling goals.
My suggestion to you if you want to go somewhere in this sport would be to learn each compound and how it works, what foods you need to incorporate to achieve your goals, and do so with compounds that dont muddy your results. in essence we practice one compound at a time on this board for a number of reasons im sure you can understand. IMO while you have ran deca before and would be in the guidelines we follow to run deca/EQ/test, I think you should run the EQ with the test and leave the deca out. You will not see what the EQ is doing with the wet results from the deca, or what I refer to as muddying.
for me EQ is kinda like test, it goes well with everything. test/EQ and whatever is in most situations gonna be a great cycle. know how these 2 work together then add.
my personal recommendation would be a simple yet effective cycle
test-c 500mg/w 1-17
EQ 600mgw 1-16
adex as needed
PCT starts week 20-24
No FL???
whats FL? OH nevermind frontload your talking about. well this is what ill say about frontloads. it was discussed at length a few years ago on many threads. at that time I was on a periodic steroid testing regime that I knew what the dates would be. most of them for several years where 2 to 3 months apart so I would do short cycles in between and come off in time to pass the test. EVERY single cycle I did was frontloaded, all shorts too. the only thing I really never frontloaded was orals as that wouldnt work. over the years ive done many different kinds of frontloads on longs and shorts and here we are many cycles down the road and you know ive found that I dont like the frontload very much. I feel that it overloads me when the ester kicks and im less sensitive, so I rarely recommend it. However to each there own.
Okay...cool...thanks. In theory, depending on the person, could frontloading cause oversaturation and waste AAS, as well as be counter-productive?
saturation was discussed about 3 weeks ago and seemed to come down to diet. but I will add to that thought process and say that if saturation is possible to overcome with diet, sensitivity is a different ball game and for me is real.
I do not like to be hit hard by a compound and then it fades away some, leaves me with a dip in plasma levels . this is why I rarely run oral kick starts, but rather use them as pre-workout a few times a week. this is why I never build a cycle around stronger esters first and ending with weaker esters, its why I dont do any kind of mg ramping in a cycle.
I have found that i like steady plasma levels, or that may increase as the cycle progresses. hence another reason EQ has been ran in the last few cycles.
ndI understand diet is key to enhancing the positive nitrogen balance, especially maintaining the approriate macros to meet and sustain projected goals, while cycling AAS. In addition, with your explanation of sensitivity i see why overdosage of AAS contributes in a negative way to cycling. This is why people continue adding in compunds to keep the body guessing. Then before too long a cycle consists of six compounds, which is more than what is needed, IMO....
The title alone screams SHOULD NOT BE JUICING.. You are another young dumbass... If no LEGIT pics are posted then I'll BAN you when I get home LOL!
Going to have to encourage you not to
about to wrap up my leg workout got an hour or so worth of crap I have to do when I get home then I'll be able to post after that. So at least hang around to see if I'm lying :D. Maybe I could have worded thing differently though. Originally I was going to add in four weeks of Dbol when my gains slowed. Then looking through the forums here people have been discussing having EQ or primo in he cycle honestly I don't know much about either of those compounds and wanted more experienced people's opinions comparing them.
I know you all hate everyone under 25 but I've been working out since I was 14 and wanted to be a bodybuilder. I worked hard learning training techniques and dieting properly and I got very good results until I was 21 when I was stuck for a year and not getting anywhere. Under some bad advice from dumbasses a knew I started cycling. If I could go back I wouldn't have but it's been done now. This is what I love though and if I ever make it to my procard it would be a dream come true and I'm serious about it. I do have a couple sponsors, I don't drink I don't smoke, I don't use any type of recreational drug, I bodybuild and no offense but I'm sure some of you cannot say the same. And hey I'm honest and telling you guys I'm 24 and under bad advice have already cycled but at least in not like the 18 yr old kids on here listing their age as 30.
So all in all if I sound like a dumbass it's because of bad cycle information I've read on these forums so please do correct me but tell me why, I'm here because I want to learn. I honestly am no where near a guru in AAS by any means but I do know A LOT about diet and training and figured maybe I can benefit the community by offering advice in those categories. I realize half of you will hate me and not give advice based on my age and I get that, but know I'll be running it either way, the decision has been made.
Pics look good bro... you seem like one of the few younger brothers who may actually have his head on straight... Don't be a tool and we don't have a problem
one of the VERY few indeed!
You are in violation of community standards here. We just don't dispense steroid advice to men under 25. However reading this thread all the way through, looks like u might get some help if you oblige.
Highly unlikely. I'm still waiting for the wow factor.
pics up
It's because I can't get it to post two pictures at once off my phone. Trying to post a show day picture cut down and a current picture. I'll get to it later when I'll have my computer.
Well, I think u will be waiting a long time indeed but I did think you were being exceedingly gracious to put it mildly. You would think the OP would just carpe diem or such - not that I expect that the OP reads Horace.
ffs! another 24 yo destined for trt, tren, deca cycles been ran already, lay off the juice dude! ffs! you dont need to " throw" in anything, very relaxed attitude toward this shit, you wont be relaxed toward prostate cancer and heart attack in your 40s, what then? dr just throw in another heart? funeral parlour, just throw him in the hole.
First off you need to post stats and previous cycles.
Secondly the fact you are trying to decide between those 3 means you have not done your research.
I didn't want to get deep into my own stuff because I'm interested in others opinions and their experiences with the compounds. I've picked these three bc dbol seems to be the traditional way to go with test and deca. I've read a lot of people claiming synergistic effects from deca + EQ. Then I've also read plenty of people claiming the combo of primo + deca blows away EQ.
I'm not laying this out precise bc like I said I'm interested in others experiences.
24 yr been lifting consistently since I was 15. Im in the gym 6 days a week and my diet has been on point for two years.
6'1"
250
11% bf
Cycles:
1. Test p
2. Test p
Winny
3. Test c
Deca
4. Test p
Tren a
5. Tren e
Test c
I respond well to tren and don't get hardly any sides however I'm bulking and I feel really uncomfortable on tren when I bulk bc I sweat my ass off but mostly the shortness of breath kills me on my higher rep sets so I'd like to give deca a better go this time bc last time I ran it pretty low just to see if I tolerated it well.
Like I said I'm here to put on as much mass as I can. I got myself up to 215 before I ever touched AAS. So being at 250 now I think I can still pack on some more weight without too much trouble.
post a picture. if these stats are legit ill overlook your age and we can discuss these compounds. otherwise im not touching this thread.