posted Sun, 02/10/2013 - 17:01
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Cycling sust 250 and npp?? I need some help.
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Would it be best to shoot the sust e3d and the Npp oed or should i just shoot them both e3d? And can or should i run them for the same amount of time?
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How many years have you been lifting/training? If you haven't already, you should have a blood test done first to see where you're at. If you're all muscle right now, that may mean that you have high test levels naturally. You can probably put on another 20 lbs. If you jump on now, you'll grow, but you're going to hate it when you have to come off, and your naturally high test levels may be permanently diminished.
I hate needles especially into my vain or else i would get it done its hard enough just getting it into my ass lol.
21, 5 '7 , 180 lbs, basically all muscle already. First cycle.
Ok so I got to say it and I'm sure you won't want to hear it 21 is little young to cycle. But I'm sure your hell bent on it so you might as well be safe and smart for your first cycle. I mean no disrespect whatsoever just looking out. But first cycle should be the standard:
Test e at 500mg pw or in your case sust e3d at 500mg pw 1-12
Aromasin starting 2-12 at 12.5mg Ed starts that early cuz the short esters in sust.
Pct: clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva: 20/20/10/10
Aromasin: 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25
The reason I reccomend this if you decide not to wait 2-3 years (good idea) is this cycle will yeild 20lbs of gains 15lbs of lbm if eating correctly. And the pct is set up to kick your naturaul test back on. The reason i recommend to wait is
1. You will have a better base to work with in 2-3 years
2. Less chance of permanately messing up natty hormones.
3. Less chance of injury or permanent side effects.
Like I said I mean no disrespect at all. Just looking out for ya. Npp should be part of a third or fourth cycle. It will shut you down hard and will require more actions to counter act side effects. Any questions feel free to ask brother! Good luck.
I completely understand everything your saying.. I def do have naturally high test level so would that mean i need more then the average person? I know its a little young and i have done a lot of research and took me a long time to build up the courage to pin my self. I had a body build right me up a whole plan but i dont wanna keep busting his balls bec its threw a 3rd party. I know mostly all about pct i just always have a million more questions no matter what. I didnt know the come down was so hard on the npp but i only plan on running enough for my joints not for anything else. Im still going threw with the sust npp combo though bec i already have my mind set on it. So in this case how would i cycle the 2?
Ok so a "high test" would be in the 900-1100ng/dl that's high. But with good sust at 500mg pw e3d you will have levels of 2500-4000ng/dl which is 2 1/2x to 4x as much you would produce naturally so to answer your question no you would not. And yes npp can stay in the system for 12 months meaning "deca dick" up to 12 months. And being shutdown that long as well meaning everything you worked for is going to go to waste if you get shutdown that long. But if your using it for joint relief it would need to be ran around 100-150mg pw. You need cabergoline on hand no ifs ands or buts. That would be ran at .5mg e3d when prolactin starts up. But how will you be able to tell the difference between high estro sides and prolactin sides. You can get withdrawals from caber if not run correctly. See where I'm going with this? Only reason we recommend test only first is cuz mixing multiple compounds you will have no idea what's causing what and can screw yourself up. And if you have bad joints and made it this far without npp you will do fine without it for 12 more weeks to see how your body reacts to test. But if you must and absolutely must:
Sust 500mg pw e3d:1-12
Npp: 100-150mg pw e3d
Aromasin: 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25
Caber: when needed at .5mg e3d if needed.
Pct: same as recommended before.
If you get prolactin sides during cycle and need to run the caber then run it through pct.
I highly highly recommend not to do this cycle but if you must be safe research research and ask ask ask more questions. You could be screwed the rest your life if your not careful. Your def in the right place to learn and be safe. Again I'm not trying to b a dick or anything just telling you what I know from experience and research.
Trust me i know your not trying to be a dick im not a sensitive little girl.. yet... hahaha.. Im going to do some more research and probably hold off the npp for now. I know exactly what ur trying to say though... so if not npp what about regular deka or is it basically the same shit, just ones fast acting?
deca dick for 12 months? HUH? never heard of such a thing, I would love to detour the kid from using deca as it is so supressive but just because it is in the system for up to that long doesnt mean you wont be able to get a hard on for that long. actually the esters clears the body rather quickly, with in days of last pin(NPP). yes there is trace elements that they can test for but it does not effect anything in the erectile department. depending upon how long the user takes to recover to natural test levels is the biggest problem with deca as it shuts down natural test production really hard in most.
Lol. That's worst case scenario. The odds are very slim but being shut down that long from nandrolone is quite possible as well. only thing I am trying to convey to the op :-)
So i ask the same questions to you.. what would ur opinion be?
youve went this long without it, you say your all muscle already so my opinion is to continue like you are until you reach your genetic potential. Cycle when your older and when you do do one compound at a time starting with test.
Me and my brother kinda already started but we think its either really weak or fake.. So i made the commitment already and i have new stuff coming in tomorrow.. So i probably will just continue to take the sust and only sust.. thanks for the help guys.. Last question how do i give karma to people bec i cant fuckin figure it out lol?
Stats? Cycle history?