Cycle help!
Hey everybody!
I just read the First Cycle sticky and was happy to see my cycle almost matched accordingly, but i've got some questions.
i'm going to be running my first Pin cycle.
i've ran a pro hormone twice before when i was young and dumb playing college ball. but i've finally allowed myself to get over my needle fear and fuckin do it. lol
Stats:
6 1
205 LBS
10-15 percent body fat (i've got lines and semi-visible abs, the USMC tape test puts me at 12 percent but it's probably not accurate)
goals: i guess a recomp, i want to harden up, drop fat and add some quality LBM that i can keep. if i ended up after PCT at 210-215 with my 6 pack glowing and some cut up legs i'd love myself.
was planning on Test E/ Tren E for 10 weeks.
my vials come in 10 ML 300MG Test per Ml / 200 MG per ML of Tren
1) DOSING
Ive read conflicting things of Tren 2:1 of test.
so would y'all recommend 400 tren 200 test?
i've also seen dudes have good cycle runs on 600 test/400 tren. which i wouldn't be opposed to doing as that was my original plan. 4 shots a week. 1ML of each substance each glute.
i've got 50 20G draw needles and 50 27G 1 1/2 inch to pin.
2) STARTER/FINISHER
another question i have, is for a booster/a finisher.
i was thinking starting with Dbol weeks 1-4 for 50 MG's (sticky has it dosed at 30mg's) a day
and then finishing weeks 7-12 with either Var or T3. anybody got any ideas for those?
my reasoning behind the var or t3 was to shed some unwanted LBS right at the end and so it would be right at 2 weeks of my last pin of Test as well. i haven't ever used either car or T3 so that's where i'd need some help.
3) PCT
will just clomid do the trick? or is nolva the king for a tren run?
the source i'm ordering off of doesn't sell hCG,
so i'm not sure i can get my hands on it.
4) OTC products
hawthorne berry, milk thistle, fish oil, multi vitamin, anything else that i may be missing?
thank you all for the help!!
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Way too many things can go wrong with trying to cycle during deployment
RustyhookerSINCE Y'ALL MISSED THIS BELOW
i'm not planning on running it until after deployment in June
SO CYCLE IN THE FIELD....???? FISHING FOR COSIGNER.
Ohhh ho ho...I see what's up...now...little clearer...wasn't registering in that way...thanks
RustyhookerHe's working it. Lol
Yea. And, I'm not gonna be a catfish...lol
No.
Make sure and use a good injection rotation protocol...sounds like you're trying to piss your glutes off!!!
Scar tissue sucks, bro...
Bloodwork pre, mid and post cycle...
Test only, plus AI of choice...
Query Harris Benedict Equation and calculate your BMR with and without activity. Bring that number back here and we can revamp your diet and set you up with a cal/mac plan suitable for your goals.
Standard PCT protocol is clomid and nolva, which the doses and frequencies can be found in the PCT section...
Men BMR = 66 + (13.7 X weight in kg) + (5 x height in cm) – (6.8 x age in yrs)
66 + (13.7 * 91) + (5* 183) - (6.8*25)
66+ (1246.7) + (915) - (142.8)
BMR 2057
2057* 1.55=3188
2057*1.725=3548
i workout 5-6 days a week, we have PT 5 days a week and it's usually a 2-3 mile run, so not sure which calculation i should use.
was planning on going 1000 calories over.
3x a day (morning before breakfast, post workout, before bed)
Protein shake: 2 Scoops Muscle pharm
240 Calories, 50g P/2g Fat/4g Carb
total: 720 calories, 150g P/6g F/ 12g C
8 ounces whole milk + 1 banana * 1TBSP PB in morning and night protein shake
Milk: 160 calories 8gP/8gF/12gC
Banana: 90 calories 1P/1F/23C
PB: 105 calories 4gP/9gF/3gC
total: 710 calories 26gP/36gF/76gC
total calories protein shakes combined
1430 calories, 176gP/42gF/88gC
post workout meal
2 cups white rice: 400 calories, 9gP/0gF/106gC
chicken breast 4oz: 110 calories, 24gP/2gF/0gC
4oz 93 ground beef: 170 calories, 24gP/8gF/0gC
total: 680 calories, 57gP/10gF/106g
shakes/post workout: 2110, 233gP/52gF/194gC
found most of the caloric values on myfitnesspal, if they're off or look dumb let me know
so i set those as the mandatory meals/shakes i have every day, that way the other meals i can make up for knowing exactly how many grams of P/C/F i need per each meal based on the chow hall, depending on what they serve.
now i'm trying to build as much LBM as possible, obviously like everybody else, but i know what comes with a bulk as well. is doing a 40/40/20 split on calories still good to go on the test e cycle? or raise one drop one?
also is 1000 cals a day over my TDEE pushing the limit to keeping the mass i put on lean?
i've also read about meal timing, how one should keep most carbs pre and post workout. does meal/carb timing matter? or is the whole 'if it fits your macros' basically just bro science?
my cycles gonna look like this:
week 1-10: 600 MG Test E (2 injections of 300mg, Sunday Morning Wednesday night)
week 1-12: .5mg of Anastrozole Every other Day (EOD)
week 1-12: caber .5mg Sunday and wednesday
PCT starting week 13:
clomid 100/50/50 Nolva 20/20/20/20
Is there any way to find out what's being served in advance?
Hmmm? :/
you said bring the BMR numbers back so i did!
Yes I see.
It's good. Just need to get clomid and nolva right on dose and frequency. And, why the caber? 12 weeks is better over 10 weeks for a cycle.
Don't count on protein shakes to make up your protein...animal protein is more advantageous.
BMR looks great good job...
Accept FR Please
Bcoz hes probably 19 and hes still going to run tren, he doesnt know caber dosage so slipped it in there hoping someone would slip up and give the nod. Too much ai for too long and the ten weeks at 600 is shit.
No.
you got me good.
Please don't do Tren your first cycle man that's honestly a really bad idea, and just so unnecessary.
Test is all you need. Your supposed to be at your natural limit before anything else is even considered
Daniel1776, I think you should listen to every one in the comments section -- run Testosterone only. There are plenty of guys who have used the sauce for years before ever touching compounds like Trenbolone and have achieved amazing results. There are even some who have never touched Tren and look like IFBB Pros.
See how you react to Testosterone first, and then you can add an oral kick-starter like Dianabol to your third or fourth cycle.
Like said below bud tren isn't a miracle drug and a lot of Instagram guys and Facebook guys use the term tren as more of aas in general test I'll tell you test has done more for me then anything excluding food. Tren is strong but with strong comes sides and can fuck you up in the head bad you can gain alot off of a test cycle alone and so you know tren won't make you skinny
skinny really wasn't the goal in mind it was just to harden the fuck up. but, lesson learned.
All good bro just a lot of people post about wanting to run tren to lose weight so I always just assume. You can harden up real nice just from diet my first test cycle was the best I'll never forget that one. Also tren is a 19nor so you would run into prolactin issues and trying to dial in ai and prolactin and diet and everything else becomes hard until you have done a lot of reading and I mean I read 4 plus year on just aas even before considering them
Don't mention sources here, Daniel
just caught this. my fault. editing them out right now.
Explain why you think you need tren for your 1st cycle.
Also if you can also explain what you think tren is going to do for you also on your 1st cycle.
Also explain why you think drugs are going to make you have visible abs and also make you super lean.
Training history, not a written out daily log.
Diet, also not what you eat on a daily basis.
Vitamins and fish pills are only ancillaries you should be taken off cycle as well.
We also need your age as well so we can assist better.
sorry i only saw the one response and not yours as well.
i don't think i 'need' drugs, i don't think anyone who takes steroids 'needs' steroids, im taking them for probably the exact same reason everybody esle is, to get huge and why the fuck not?
i don't think they'll make me super lean or visible abs but i think they do the same thing they do for everybody. with good diet and good training they're the edge that everybody wants.
25 years old.
training history: been lifting athletically since i was 10-12 up until i got hurt playing football in college. changed over to more of just a 'i need to be in the gym' kind of guy. joined the USMC 2 years ago.
bench 330 squat anywhere from 475-505 depends on how my knees feel and dead 585-595.
diet is pretty standard 3 squares at the chow hall right now. but that's because i'm overseas and not back in garrison. it's much better and much stricter when i'm back on the home base.
40/40/20 split is what i try to stick with. i'm also reading and learning more about diet currently as well.
You still didnt answer why you think you need Tren for a first cycle, also edit out your bottom post and get rid of the source name
just got them edited.
my reasoning was it was available and across the posts i've read, tren seems to be the LBM king.
i guess i don't see a 'need' for it on my first cycle, but it's available and i have the $$ to get everything i need to have on hand as well so i guess the answer to the question would again have to be, why not?
maybe because i'm not sure how the test will react to my body, which i understand.
why would you not suggest it?
Then is an advanced compound for a reason. It can have you fucked and you won't know what to do to fix it. You can do what ever you want but I suggest you read more about it and shelf it. Just because you can get something does not mean you should take it. I can get heroin im certainly not going to take it.
Do a regular test cycle so you can actually see what's involved before you jump straight in the deep end.
i dunno why but the heroin thing had me laughing out loud. i got you. thanks for the tips.
so because the test i got is 300 per ml is 600 per week good to go?
One problem your vials are test and tren mix, you will have to get something else like good old fashioned 250mg test a d do that twice a week.
They're not mixes, especially since I've seen the source he namedropped before editing it out. Test E 300 and tren E 200.
they're both seperate vials, 300mg test E in a vial and 200 MG of the tren in the other. figured just two glute shots a week, sunday/thursday for 10 weeks.
OK 600 should be fine although you should be getting g a blood test before beginning and after 6 weeks. Your choice of ai is supposed to be taken every day not every other day especially if you are doing 600.
.5 still good?
.5 eod yes but you should take .25 every day
so they come in 1mg tabs so that sorta fucks me lol
.5 every other day won't kill you, after 10 days you will know if it's too much and you can cut back
i friended you, can you shoot me a PM real quick? gonna run by you what i think my final is going to look like.
Sunday AM, Wednesday PM (e3.5d) for more stable blood levels.
of just the test. so 600 MG per week.
600 mgs e3.5d for 10 was my virgin cycle exactly.
Careful with the tren. I don't care what you run, but I truly believe anything more than some good test for a first cycle is overkill. And var/T3? Come on. What about your AI? What about cabergoline?
My bad. i didn't include the AI because it matched with the 1st cycle sticky. .5 MG EOD of Anastrozole.
i just don't want the bloat of a 500-750MG of test cycle is what i'm worried about.
that's why i asked the question about em. at the end when the ester tends to level off to run the compound throughout the last two weeks post dose. but if i'm wrong i'm wrong i don't have a problem admitting it. i'm not planning on running it until after deployment in June, so i'm trying to get it locked on exactly what i'm gonna run.
source i'm using doesn't have caber or HCG, they've also been the most reputable across the net that i've found so i'd like to stay within them if possible.
Rustyhookeri'm not planning on running it until after deployment in June,
Thats a huge mistake. You really dont sound 25. More like 19.
yeah, i was in college playin ball when i was nineteen. coincidentally, i don't think ill be posting my birth certificate or my SSN any time soon.
You don't want bloating but you're gonna run dbol? I promise you, you will be happy with what a basic test run gets you. Test is neither strictly a bulking agent nor a cutting agent. It's extremely versatile and can be paired with any given diet and training regiment to suit your needs. The fact that you're setting up this fancy cycle with exotic--for a first cycle, certainly--compounds tells me that you're expecting the steroids to do the work. That's just the way it comes across to me. I gained 26 solid ass pounds on my first cycle of test bro. Mostly muscle, very little bloat. No AI. You don't need var. You don't need dbol. You don't need tren. O-ver-kill.
+1
Amen.
that makes sense to me.
I couldn't have said it better.