Concerned week 8 no real gains
First time poster/first cycle.
Stats: 5'6" 185 lbs 10% bf 23 years old. Seriously training for 4 years.
I'm taking 500mg test e ew split btw 2 shots.
I take adex at .5 mg e3d.
My diet is split into around 6 meals. Only 2 shakes the rest is chicken breast and the carbs come from oats because I'm poor. I'm consuming around 3500 to 3700 cals 325-350 grams of protein.
My problem is I'm on week8 and have seen little to no gains. My strength is up but that's just from the increase in carbs because I cut hard and primed my body for the cycle. The source is reputable it's from this site it's ****so it's gotta be legit. It's just upsetting because every thing is on point from diet to training to sleep I'm just not getting the results I want. Any input would be helpful.
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AnonI don't know everything but I wanted to let you know that you are doing everything right. You want to experience the test alone on your first cycle, so you know what to expect. On your next cycle you add something to see how you respond. You experiment little by little until you are familiar with the effects of AAS.
Edit: This isn't a sprint, its a marathon.
Okay so I can definitely empathize with you on this. I didn't gain spit from test. I have ran two cycles of 12 weeks and ate and trained like a beast and only gained like 10 lbs for the first cycle. The only reason that I gained anything on My second cycle Is because I kicked with superdrol and gained 20 lbs in 4 weeks and nothing else after I dropped the sd. Both batches were legit, I had a hard on 24/7 and oily skin and zits and terrible night sweats, just no gains. The test helped me maintain my gains from the sd but that's all. Some of us just don't grow like others and it's got to be genetics! I'm gonna run test higher and longer next cycle with npp and see what happens. I know how disappointed you are because I was pissed. Either everyone over hyped test or I have terrible genetics. Now I am not your average male so maybe I needed more for my size (6'8" now at 265 lbs) I'm thinking 750 mg ew for 16 weeks and 10 weeks of npp at 400 mg ew. If I don't grow from that shit then i give up :( so I would suggest extending your cycle and maybe using an oral on the end of the cycle. Best of luck.
Agreed. Test isn't the do-all say-all steroid for everyone. It's effects on me were quiet mild. Nothing significant. About to start my second cycle.
I think for people like us it's just going to be a base for other things like deca and eq and tren. Such a shame too, I wish I could just run test and gain. I'm still gonna kick start and backload with orals as well. For most a cycle of test will totally transform their body and even 3 or more cycles still see impressive results. Makes me jealous!
Yea. I was hoping to walk around like Hercules haha. Sadly I wish I never cut to prime myself for the cycle and just bulked naturally. I would be heavier. I'm able to get up to around 195-200 naturally which isn't bad at 5,6. It's funny that on a cycle I'm actually smaller then I would be naturally.
Try an oral kick next cycle (d bol or anadrol) and run you're test longer (12-16) weeks. Others have suggested to me to run test e longer than 12 weeks and as someone else stated it might take longer for it to kick in than some (maybe week 7-9) so 10 weeks is not going to be enough time and I'm hoping this is part of my problem.
I'm also super afraid of sides lol. I bought enough adex for like an army just in case. Ill do some research into kick starts. I'm also trying to keep my liver healthy and I know Orals are tough are there injectable kick starts or only oral? Stupid question I know but I've done zero research on the subject.
We all have to learn somewhere. They do have injectable versions of orals but my understanding is that they are not any safer. A lot of stuff out there is over hyped (including sides) so don't stress about your liver and sides. I'm not saying be stupid and start popping pills, you have to know what your doing. As long as your smart and take the right precautions you will be okay. Everyone reacts different to compounds so it's also some trial and error and dosage amounts. Try something like 4 weeks of t bol @ 40-60 mg ed. I don't gain much on tbol but some do and the strength gains are legit. As long as your dosage and time on orals isn't insane you be okay. So for a second cycle or since you know how your body responds to test I would give it a try. Just read and study each oral and see what one meets your goals. If you want mass you gotta go with D bol or A bombs.
Yea it was my first cycle so I didn't want to pump myself with even more unknown shit. I was more curious but after the results is seems like it was a huge waste of money. I may run another one down the road but as of now gear just seems like a huge hassle. Hey at least all the gains I got wont vanish off cycle haha.
IM new here but me and my best friend and gym partner are running the same exact cycle compounds and miligrams. I have put on 25 pounds, hes put on 12. its his first cycle, his gains shouldve been better than mine. he eats better than me, his work ethic is even better than mine. we are running the same source gear. Ive seen this before. i wont and dont have the great responses as some or many of the vets on here. but it just may be a case of you dont respond as well as you should or could to some gear.
I agree that it is partly due to that but I can't be that unresponsive. Shit I'm pumping my body with aroubd like 5 or 6 times the amount of a normal man. Even if I only got a 150-200 bump I should put on weight even if my diet was shit. I think I'm going to email him and ask what's up.
So your running the same brand that testos e 250?
based on what you said to im raunning the same sources gear i think youre referring to
im running test e @ 500mg/wk split. im also running 100mg deca a week to.
Hate to say this bro but the gear is lean. If you've not experienced the 'phases' like night sweats, being chronically horny, artificial or hyper pumps your not getting the hormone elevation your seeking. I'd bet less than 10% of the people on this site can say they have never experienced poor gear. If you live in the States it's almost routine. With your stats I'm not sure you would see huge gains as your appear pretty primed but you would have had a reaction to the increased hormone levels between weeks 2 - 4, with weeks 4 - 6 being the sweet spots. Don't get discouraged you haven't come all this way get bummed out now, kick the cycle let it flush use your PCT and pick up again in 8 - 10 weeks; that will put you in peak condition next cycle in mid to late may, perfect for summer.
It's hard for me to believe it is because he's rated at the number three guy on this site with like 10,000 reviews. Even if my diet was shit abs my workout was shit I would still see some sort of gains.
Hard for anybody to guarantee a batch, could have been completely accidental. The last fills after the filter process is usually when gear gets lean. The gear is in powder form then mixed or blended with the ester know as a vehicle. Then the mixture is filtered during the filter process the amount of time may vary and is rarely if ever monitored, so lets say 24 hours. The next step is adding the BA, some kitchen chemist (any non pharmaceutical) may add as much as 5% BA.. In such doses BA acts as a cytotoxic agent which can induce local necrosis in the injection site but that's another subject sorry got off track. After the BA is added the mixture should be stirred or mixed well then poured. For safety and time sake some kitchen chemist cap their filtered mix-tank, pressurize the tank and fill bottles with the outgoing hose to tubing, this way the mixture feeds from the bottom where the hormone is concentrated to the top where is has been watered down if not stirred. In the chemist mind it's better to have a bunk bottle than a contaminated muscle.
And with all the competition out here today with websites like this one and steroidology, I don't think anybody would risk a bad rep over a few thousand dollars. It seem like yo just got the wrong end of the batch. But until your MD decides to start issuing scrips for steroids (even then you'd only get Methyltestosterone) stay the course and get ready to rinse and repeat. I've got some great gear now, a 100ml bttl of test-e, I'm having to ditch because of the injection pain, it's debilitating. My friends have no issue with it, even used fro their bottles and still had pain. Does it suck the sweat off a dead mans ball-sack having to ditch gear I waited 3 months to get? you bet! But until better things come along I have to do what is best for long term growth. And I'm REALLY gonna miss this water weight, arms looking pretty f'n buff. Oh well it roids for ya.
Yea excellent Info was really hoping to blow up. Only really planned on running one cycle ever more out of curiosity. Guess plans change. Another note is it ok to run the clomid I have for a pct if its not really gear?
I wouldn't for the fact you've not really been using enhancements. With the miniscule dosing it would be a waste. Clomiphene citrate is used to counter gynocomastia, remember this is caused by the increase in estrogen by the body trying to reach equilibrium with the high levels of testosterone. Clomid is used primarily for ovulatory failure, you'd be using it for it's side effect properties. If you've not hit the phases of test, then your hormones are pretty much in check. This is going to work out just fine, keep the clomid as a just in case, and if you have any good and I do mean GOOD friends in the gym ask if you can get hold of their supplier or if they are sure their supplier is solid to have their bottle when they get more. FOR FUCKS SAKE DO NOT JUST START ASKING AROUND THE GYM FOR GEAR. This community is different from many others, even though we all look up to the big guys and down on the little guys in general, we all have a week spot for trying to help others, we all remember the pain and suffering from wrong exercises and months of fucked up diets because we read it online or overheard it from someone to another. I remember my nights after the gym i thought I had torn my pecs apart and they would never heal, come to find out, the exercise was fine I was just too weak for it. At this level of the game nobody would steer you wrong intentionally, so if you hear 5 different stories from 5 different people ignore it all, if everyone agrees try it out little by little. Man i wish I was on my first cycle, whole body work outs every other day, and my poor girlfriend locking herself in the bathroom after being fucked about 8 times, she said she needed to soak for a while and whatever I was on I needed to stop. i asked her about it later and she said it was like a new guy crawled on here very 20 minutes, so make sure you give a little warning. Stay hydrated, clean diet and skip the cheat days, if your gonna wring every drop of good out of your gear don't waste a second. i wonder if she'd answer if I called, nahh probably not.
Nice reply.
Is it pharma grade or UGL? You can try running a higher dose and see if it changes. I know my test e is suppose to be 300mg a ml but I think it's less. It's hard to know you can't really know without blood work.
I've had seriously underdosed gear form a 'top' source on here so it can happen although the vast majority are brilliant. Have you checked the reviews of the gear itself? Pm me if your uk. I might be able to help otherwise leave the gear alone and bulk up using your natural test and mountains of food.
Is there a place to look up gear specific reviews I just read his overall reviews. I emailed him and he's awesome with customer service and said others said they were getting good results but I don't know if they kick started or if they were running say a gram a week.
I'm about at my 7th week of my test e cycle. The first 5 weeks I put on about 12 pounds I can't stop eating but I switch it up a lot. I don't think you should eat the same thing every day. Try throwing some blue berries, strawberries and bananas in your shakes. Also trade some of the chicken out for fish or red meat. If you're worried about getting fat you shouldn't be you're young and can probably cut pretty easy if you weigh 175. Throw more complex carbs in. Potatoes, rice, beans. I think it all comes back to the #1 diet. Eat more food!
Just rememebr you have the appetite of a 16 year old and the matabolism of a _________ year old.
I didn't read all the comments, but my first cycle was 600 mg test-e per week and didn't kick until the middle of week 9.
Man that would be upsetting as I'm only running it for 10 weeks.
To me, that adex looks a bit high for a first cycle. How do your joints feel? I was using adex at .25mg e3d and my estro went too low, and elbows starting hurting bad. Adjusted to .25mg e4d and things turned around. Just throwing that out there. Get bloods done.
I honestly never tried or even considered adex.From research Aromasin seems to carry more pros then con .And besides I am always afraid of taking adex then of course missing my dose and having a BIG Estro Rebound.
AnonI heard the same thing about aromasin, I'm running adex now .5 twice a week pretty much and I feel great. To the OP why are you running adex on a test only cycle, my first cycle I ran test and dbol and no adex and I was good......
No1Have you gained any weight? Regardless is the gear is legit or not you would still put on weight unless your not eating enough, EAT MORE. I dont see how your getting 3700 calories from chicken breast and oats lmao
I'm eating around 6 cups of oats a day plus the 6 cups of whole milk I mix into it (I eat it cold I like it more oddly), I also buy like 6 or7 lb bags of chicken "family size" lol an cook up half of it and split it btw 4 meals. I record my calories on this app I have saves me time and had almost every food brand item I eat plus my protein shakes so I don't have to do the math. I'm well aware of the importance of diet, I would of never buried a 1.5 in needle deep into my ass if I didn't have every part of this process in check.
AnonPost a normal detailed description your meals and times, this should give all of us a better understanding.
10- shake with 2 cups whole milk, 2 cups of oats with 1.5 cups of whole milk.
12:30- 8 oz of chicken 2 cups oats&milk
3- 8 oz chicken cups oats&milk
5- 8 oz of chicken and I do a cup of pasta with olive oil.
7-shake with 2 cups of milk and oats or pasta
9- 8 oz chicken and a big bag of veg
11:30-12:00- ill usually put some fatty red meat in like 80/20 with natural pb if I'm off on the calories.
You need to change your name to "Mr Oats" lol
But seriously you need to put at least some fruit into that diet and various different foods so your body is enriched with nutrients. I find it hard to believe you body can fully flourish with oats and chicken lol.
Yea I know. I've been thinking of adding some pre and post workout. Maybe some oranges or apples.
No1Then how much weight have you gained?
I primed my body because I have read that it increases the effectiveness so I cut down to around 175 with in the first 2 weeks with the increased food intake I gained around 6 lb, I gain weight easily just not "good lean weight". So maybe 5 lbs.
I've never ran that lab before, but if your diet is right there's really only a couple things that could be wrong.
1 - bunk gear
2 - improper injection technique
well if it's option 1 then you are out of luck, but if its 2, that could be possible. What I mean is if you are injecting with too small of a needle and you have a high amount of bodyfat in that area its possible the oil isnt reaching the muscle.
You say you are 10% so long as you are using a 1" I doubt that's the problem. Even if you weren't hitting the muscle you would notice something by week 8.
If you can afford to get a blood test done A DAY BEFORE your next injection to see what your test levels are. If they are low let us know so no one else has to buy bunk gear. but speak with your source if you got bloods done and they confirmed your levels are low. If he's a quality source chances are he had a bad batch, and if so you will probably be sent another bottle
I'm def getting the gear where it needs to be, 1.5 inches deep into my glute. Also the guy is legit has like 10,000 reviews and is rated like a 93, I e-mailed him and he said that he had 3 other people say that the test e was good but I'm not sure if they used a kick start or if they are pushing a much higher dose.
good you eliminated all the other variables.
Now fix your diet that is your problem. And no throwing a number out there does not count. You literally need to count your calories, protein, carbs and fats.
aim for 300g protein/400g carbs/130g fats
somewhere near there which is about 3900kcal.
try myfitnesspal.com do it for a couple days just to make sure your diet is on point
I keep a daily log, This is an average day
Dream: I had a dream that Maggie this awesome girl I’ve been hanging out with had a hilarious thick mario stash haha. Strange.
Hours of sleep: 10 really tired lately
Total Macros (Protein/Carbohydrates/Fats/total calorie count): (328/227/178/3782) (ran out of oats today)
Water Intake: 1.5
Workout description (time/duration, mood): Good back day, started deadlifting again kept it at 315 instead of doing the bigger weight.
This is the log I keep.
nice sounds good. Try adding 200g of carbs. Thats the only thing I can suggest bro. 227 is a little low, for a bulk its okay to have excess glycogen and more carbs = less protein breakdown. Less protein that gets broken down, the more there is to rebuild muscle
If hes taking test e I dont think a day before would really matter! Just get it done! Also if you dont get bloods and decide to trash the gear make sure to run your normal pct protocol. Can never run risks without be 100% sure.
even if the oil is not hitting the muscle its will still be absorbed you can pin test sub q
Yes this is true. It doesnt matter how deep u go its still going to get into the bloodstream. Although not gettining deep enough may cause pip and such
True but if you read what I said, I mentioned that even if he was hitting subq he would still notice by week 8. The point is subq takes longer to be absorbed. Yes you can pin subq
never seen that my bad
Never tried that. Sounds interesting
At his age and with those stats he should be growing with or without gear. Looks like he is an Ectomorph and those guys got to eat a ton to gain muscle mass.