appreciate the post--currently trying to learn more about "Clen before First Test cycles".. the replies were helpful. Please, if any veterans have words of advice on Clen before First Test..? Thank you.

In regards to Winstrol I honestly cannot comment because I've never tried the stuff. But in regards to your Clen, MAYBE this bit of advice can help you from making a HUGE mistake, rm2n.

BEFORE, I REPEAT, BEFORE you go onto 40mcg's a day you MUST, and you NEED to check yourself BEFOREHAND.

How? That's the easy part.

BEFORE you take ANY Clen, check your body temp with a reliable thermometer 4 times a day, for 2 days.

Reason? You want to know what your, 'Normal" body temp is BEFORE you start your cycle.

(There's no point me telling you that 96.4, 98.7 or 102.9 is normal because you're not me and I'm not you. Over this 2 day period YOUR normal body temp can be averaged out from the readings you take. And if you're female, and beginning/ending your menstrual cycle for example, don't forget your body temp is going to be different at different times too).

Now that you have YOUR body temp, the, "Let's Find MY Dosage", game begins.

RULES TO THE GAME: Start out safe and keep yourself safe. They're that easy to follow.

DAYS ONE, TWO & THREE begin cycle with a 20mcg dosage.

DAYS FOUR & FIVE, check your temp again 4 times a day to see IF your average body temp has risen. (You MAY find that it has gone up .1 or .2 or so, but that's NOT what we're looking for). (Temp taking days you do NOT take ANY Clen, by the way).

DAYS SIX, SEVEN & EIGHT up your dosage to 40mcg's.

DAYS NINE AND TEN again, check your temp again 4 times a day to see IF your average body temp has now started to rise. (You should be noticing a rise in your normal temp now).

IF NOT, then for DAYS ELEVEN-THIRTEEN up your dosage to 60mcg's

DAYS FOURTEEN & FIFTEEN check temp your again.

KEEP DOING THIS THREE DAYS ON-TWO DAYS OFF CYCLE UNTIL YOUR BODY TELLS YOU THAT THE CLEN IS WORKING.

IF your, 'Normal', body temp is 97.6 and your new Clen Cycle temp has risen to 98.6 - 99.0 for example, then you know that your Clen Dosage is 20mcg's, 40mcg's, 60mcg's or, as you said you're gonna up it to, 80mcg's a day. (If it's a .1 or .2 for example higher don't worry).

Once your readings show that your body temp has risen, you've found your dosage and you're good to go for SEVEN DAYS ON/SEVEN DAYS OFF.

But if it's 2.0 degrees or above then you're heading for a MAJOR body wreck and you NEED to lower your dosage.

A CLEN CYCLE IS SOMETHING YOU DO NOT WANT TO GET WRONG.

GOOD quality Clen is AWESOME for losing weight. I've seen it work with DRAMATIC effects. I even guard my own Mrs the same way as above when she's on it. But taking too high a dose can make your body react WAYYYY too fast and, in some cases, has VERY dangerous repercussions with ones, 'Normal', core body temp. (Something you do NOT want to f*ck with). By taking too high a dosage, too soon into your cycle, it CAN work so fast on your body that you'll only know it when you're sucking water down from the garden hose by the litres because you're so dehydrated and you're so desperate to get your body core temp down again.

Just trying to help keep you, and our fellow juicers safe, Mate.

1st off you havent done shit for research. YOu need to get on the computer and read for a month straight. At that point you might have your diet in check. I think you should stop what your doing. 1st cycle should be TEST ONLY . Forget about orals go get some needles. Before you touch any AAS you need to have more gym time. You need to see what you can do without using AAS. You need to have your meals down and not skipping them every now and then. Know matter what Joker tells you stay away from the oreos. Your health should be the most important thing in your life. Turn this into your way of life not somthign you did for a month as a kid.

Lifting for a month straight.....its s waste of money and harsh on your body. Go to your muscular maximums naturally first. Your bodys receptors aren't even firing well enough to be productive. Clen.....be careful with clen if you havent tried before. Clen and just a couple cups of coffe can spin you down a bad road. Theres truely no quick fix bud.

Back to the drawing board my friend, then come back