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Alright fellas, I'm totally new here but love the fact that it's a tight community of vets and boots sharing knowledge. I'm 35, just did my first cycle of 10 weeks of test e, 2x week 500mg. I put on about 15 lbs but managed to stay pretty lean like I wanted considering it was summer..lol... I'm on my second week of clomid only pct, 100/100/50/50. So my question is what to do now? I'm sticking to my diet pretty well(adding a couple more cals) in order to keep the solid 12 pounds that are still with me... How long do I have to wait to get back on? I think next cycle I might try test c, just to see the difference for 12 weeks and I have tbol that I will do weeks 1-4 and maybe 10-13 into pct... Do you think I should add another compound? I want more size. Would deff like something to help my abused joints as they are fucked from a life of hard work, Marines, then a chase at footbal til 30.... btw I'm 5'9 188 solid and strong... any advice with anything would be well appreciated
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donnydon658You should add more food with probably the same dose. I mean, technically there's no "right" amount of time you need to stay off unless you don't know what your doing then time on is time off ..
You guys are awesome!!! But hey doc, I've been reading very conflicting opinions/evidence on taking both for pct? Alot of people say it's overkill and Nolva should just be on hand for gyno issues? Or just one with the light cycle i did? Also my balls are already coming back... (I also have no desire to have anymore kids...lol) but have been reading and researching a revamped diet for keeping the mass I did gain.... Btw, the "magic" comment was a joke, it's something 20 something kids think. Trust me when I say I am eager to learn everything I can, but not a total new guy as I've been training the better part of 17 years. Got a natty bench of 365lbs only weighing 185 myself at the time, squat 4 plates clean...ect.. so I'm pretty solid n dense, but want a Lil more I guess with a Lil "help".... but all b.s. aside guys I really want you all to keep laying down your experiences for me, because in this lovely world I have personally always seem to learn the hard way and I'm sick of that path... thanks again!!!!
Testrogen_PropC...For your Nolvadex question, I found the ONLY time Nolvadex helped me any was during PCT, and that is when it should be used is during PCT. On cycle it does not help my gyno issues, if anything it made it worse (by raising prolactin). Like meddx said, you should be running both together in PCT with Clomid at 100/100/50/50 and Nolva at 40/40/20/20
Look into getting some Nolvadex as soon as possible. Standard PCT's involve the use of Tamoxifen 40/40/20/20 to be succesful.
Very good advice +1
Recalculate your BMR and dial in a new daily cal/mac plan. Hit the training section and incorporate an alternative lifting regimen that's designed to meet your goals. If you're continuing to want to gain mass, then revamping diet and refurbishing lifting regimens will keep you staying strong, solid and focused...
Thanks fellas, yeah the tbol was litteraly given to me so was just thinking of doing since I had it... also was really like ing the test/deca combo because of the bulking plus joint issues... do you think I could do the tbol at the end of the cycle? Like last 4 weeks after I stop the deca n 2 more weeks of test leading into pct? But have also heard of the deca dick, and at 35 lifting alone natty kind of reduces my libio (although bout 2nd week on with the test was like a 14yr old kid again..lol) but deff was gonna wait till Feb to start my next one as I don't want to fuck myself up already.... So any that being said what do u guys think of the test/deca combo n tbol to harder up last couple weeks? Idk just feel the test didn't really do what I thought these magic substances do..lol
That's because you're inexperienced and your expectations are too high. It takes years to put on quality solid muscle...all that muscle fiber overlay from lifting correctly, which is repaired from eating foods and calorie/macros consumption is what does it. The AAS helps, but only minimal.
Tbol is not out of the question for use on a second cycle. Actually, Tbol will help bind SHBG, which will increase free test and add synergy to your cycle. However, holding off on compounds for a while would benefit you as you make your journey into a new world of excitement. 15 lbs on first cycle is really good, but you have to keep it. If you don't keep the weight, then revamping diet and refurbishing lifting regimen is where you go back to the drawing board. Good luck and keep us posted.
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Dominick77Just because someone gave you free products and you have it on hand doesnt necessarily mean you should run it just because, especially if you are not knowledgeable when it comes to that specific compound. With Tbol it will be slow, steady gains, results will appear at around week 3/4, running it at the end of cycle to me at least, isnt ideal. Also, AAS isnt a "magic substance" that you are expecting it to be, several other factors come into play when expecting to see "great" results, like proper DIET, training, and recuperation. Keep it simple and do a Test ONLY cycle again for your 2nd run, or if you insist, add another compound, BUT not 2 other compounds. Three compounds at once for 2nd cycle is not a good idea. Keep it simple, be patient, get your DIET down spot on, train hard, sleep...what else can I say. Click the links I provided below for further info.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/cycles-the-safe-way
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/ive-just-finishe...
Testrogen_PropC...I'd save the tbol for the third cycle. For your second cycle if you don't want to run test only, you should only be running 1 extra compound in my opinion, so you know exactly what compound is doing what in your body.
Also if you do end up running Deca in your second cycle, it's very important that you do your research on how it raises prolactin BEFORE running it. For a test and deca cycle you need to have an A.I. such as Arimidex (for estogen control) and Cabergoline (for prolactin control) on hand. If you shortcut this part you will wish you didn't when you start lactating and your nipples hurt so bad you want to rip them off. Ask me how I know. Lmao
Testrogen_PropC...Hey brother, at the very minimum I would stay off for 3 months. (12-14 weeks)
Dominick77Since it's only your 2nd cycle, I don't think running 3 compounds would be wise, it was smart that you did test only as your first, so now you are aware of how you respond and know how to control sides etc. Running 3 compounds for your 2nd run is not smart because if sides arise, you will be conflicted as to which of the other compounds are causing it. I would personally go with Test/deca as opposed to test/tbol. I am not a big fan of orals, plus you mentioned joint issues, deca,even at low doses does wonders for achy joints but you would need a DA on hand like caber for prolactin and I would run test 4 weeks longer than deca.
unreal89Time on+pct =time off
GnarkillTypically you stay off as long as your were on but others will chime in on this due to it was a test only cycle