+ 2 3rd Cycle considerations, suggestions, reprimands (i'll be grateful)
Hi Guys,
New to the forum, let me introduce myself, i had always been overweight, when about 1 year and half ago i started really training hard, returned to jiu-jitsu wich i am a brown belt, and was able to loose 35Kg (77pounds) and with now have 15% body fat (all in the wrong places), after that with a lot o weight lifting, training and the first 2 cycles i was able to improve a little more, i am still on my journey and am on the first week of a new cycle and was wondering what you guys think, i have done all the blood tests and am being counseled upon by a doctor, who know exactly what i am doing.
So my cycle is such:
(10 weeks - 3 Times a Week)
Test - 250mg
Boldenone - 500mg
Estanazolol - 100mg
(8 weeks - every 3 days)
HCG - 250 UI
Daily
Mesterolone -25 mg (first 2 weeks) raises to 50mg
HGH- 3 UI ( have been administering HGH for about 4 months now)
My diet is Running towards of 2.112 Kcal per day and my Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) is around 1.857 Kcal in rest. I do 1 Hour of training with a personal trainer and my apple watch marks that at the end of the day i have constantly burned 2900 to 3200 kcal per day. I only workout 5 days a week, Saturday a train jiujitsu.
I have been working out since i was 15 years old, i am now 34 years old and never felt better, so i was wondering what you guy think of this cycle, with i need some adjustments or suggestions.
Anyway thanks a lot, if you took the time to read and reply to this, sorry about my broken english, but i do not live in USA.
All The best.
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Rustyhookerwhat week are you on? Noone here advised your cycle. 750mg of sustanon
1500mg of boldenone
600mg of Masteron
450mg of stanozolol
i know and what you did advise i did wrong, sorry for mentioning you guys, but you were pretty friendly and i wanted to get more advice. Remember at that time i did not know i had confused everything...Again Sorry.
I think you wrote a pretty good post bud and are open to constructive criticism, that says a lot! Also congratulations on the life change and weight loss! Way to stick to it. I like that you are under the care of a doctor and share with him what you are doing. That's smart. I would add your previous cycle history and also it is unclear to me how much EQ and Test you are running. 500 mg of bold three times a week is 1500 and in my opinion a waste of money and gear. Most guys start at 600 and go up to 1200 total per week. 250 mg of test divided by three is too little for a cycle. See what I mean? Even if your intentions are to run test low so Bold does all the heavy lifting it is not enough Test.
What were your first two cycles and how did they impact you? What exactly are you trying to accomplish here? Rusty said your cycle is mixed up because you seem to try and put a cut cycle and a lean bulk cycle at the exact same time instead of transitioning. Your cycle is too short to do that. If you want a really good cut cycle then just run a Test prop and masteron acetate cycle for 8-10 weeks with injections every other day or even daily. (Dosage would change depending!)
Where and when and why did the HGH come into the picture? Not sure I see a need for that just yet.
Rusty is right and he knows is shit. No need to throw Winni in there it is hard on your liver and joints and your bf is still a little too high to see great net results. Also on the Winni; not sure if what you are intending on running is 100 mg of depot just three times a week but that would be a huge waste! Injections for winni are daily for great results but you will not be able to walk from the PIP!! Half life is only a day to a day and a half on the injection. Most painful shit I ever did!!! If you are talking about Winni tabs than 100 mg every two days is not even gonna scratch the surface. They only have a 4-6 hour half life so it makes very little sense what you are proposing from a practical standpoint.
If you are set on Bold:
Bold needs to be 600-800 per week and 16 weeks in my opinion.
Your Proviron needs to be 50-100 a day from the start. 25 is too little.
Test needs to be at 250 three times a week OR 125 three times a week. That's half of a CC.
Concentrate on your diet and look for vascularity from the Bold. As Rusty stated below Makwa and Catalyst are gurus on diet. Diet determines your outcome.
Now I have a couple alternative cycles that you may like. These are based on your experience and obvious dedication.
12 weeks:
1-12 Sustanon 250 E2D (Every 2 days)
1-12 Masteron 200 E2D
Proviron 50 mg per day
HCG Power PCT
OR
8 Weeks:
Test Prop 100 EOD (Every other day)
Masteron Acetate 100 EOD
Proviron 100 per day.
HCG Power PCT.
Without knowing your cycle history I hesitate to offer any more than that. I do not like to add to many compounds at once.
The Masteron will help tighten up that chest and give a hard defined look. You can carb up just before going to the beach to volumize!!! LOL
One more thing I would add to your diet is FAT! MCT, fish oil and avocados. Omega threes and sixes will help keep you a little fuller and actually promote fat burn!
Good luck!
Ok, my virtual friends, off the cycle, ended up taking your suggestions and did 15 weeks:
1-15 Sustanon 250 E2D (Every each days)
1-15 Boldenone 500 E2D
6-15 Masteron 200 E2D
1-25 Hcg 2000 U.I E2D
1-15 Stanozolol 200 E2D ( i had already bought, was not gonna waste)
Proviron 50 mg per day
i am using now
ANAZTRAZOL and CLOMIFEN
1 u.i HGH per day (since the first cycle)
I am very pleased with the results, i was able to keep my BF at 15, but had gains of 4 Kilograms (8,82 pounds), pretty vascular, and gotten closer to my goal (as an ex-fat it's pretty great to see definition and vascularity, that you never did see even when you where kid ).
i would like to thank, specially cry_havoc and RustyHooker for taking the time to help a newbie.
I am already thinking about my next cycle, the 4th. If you guys have any advice, i will partake. :-)
i don't know how to tag anyone, sorry.
Am I interpreting what you've written here correctly? you pinned 250mg of sust every other day, 500mg of EQ every other day?
I'm hoping there's some miscommunication from your post.....
let me see.
i would take the injections
Monday - Wednesday - Friday
1 ml Sustanon 250mg
1 ml Boldenone 500mg
1 ml Masteron 200mg
3 ml Stanozolol 50mg
i would take them together on these 3 days per week. it's probably got a lot of mistakes, since i had already started taking before this post.
could you please explain to me in layman terms, whats is wrong with the cycle, i've tried using the acronyms you guys use here, but i think i didn't understand them correctly.
Holy shit. I don't know what to say. Way too much gear. Doses are all wrong. Bloods immediately that's for sure and the Stano need to be dropped asap and TUDCA need to be run for a few weeks. In fact I'd stop this cycle completely. Drop everything now let the esters then extended 6 week PCT. Then bloods again 6 weeks after PCT is over.
i am on PCT right now, will have bloodwork done and post here what happened.
Thanks for the reply sir.
So you've taken per week:
750mg of sustanon
1500mg of boldenone
600mg of Masteron
450mg of stanozolol
What's wrong with it is that at basically 3.5g per week you've taken too much. Way too much. Where on earth did you get this cycle from?
i actually got it from a doctor, but for a shorter period and without the masteron and i have to admit that i've added the masteron myself and did 15 weeks instead of 10 weeks, that was originally prescribed.
Also, i live in Brazil and supposedly the drugs here are very low quality so he upped de dosage at his discretion.
You've frighten me a bit, but in 80 days i will have blood work done and i can keep you posted, i've done other cycles and my hormone levels returned to normal in that time, i hope i did not *uck thing up too much...
Thank you for letting me know, if you have anymore info, i would sure like more info, is there such a thing as low quality drugs that don't come with the mg it's supposed? i will question him this week
Is there such a thing as low quality drugs? Yes of course there is, but I'm not sure how anyone can make that statement without testing it. I couldn't comment on the quality of steroids in Brazil, your doctor may know differently with local knowledge. If any doctor on the face of the planet advised 1.5g of EQ per week and 15 weeks of Winstrol, he's an ignorant fool and must have got his medical degree from a Christmas cracker.
With respect you've still gone and added another compound and extended the cycles duration by 50%, so this is not just down to your doctor is it? You also have a site here full of cycle advice and knowledge, you had guys advising you what to run and you chose otherwise. Running more gear doesn't mean more muscle. A guy of your size and experience level shouldn't be running half of this. A simple search around here would have shown you what a sensible dose is and how utterly ridiculous1.5g of EQ,((boldenone in case you didn't know), is and how dangerous it could be.
I'm lost for words.
thank you, i did not know what was EQ.
Everybody makes mistakes, i'm still new to this and am going to get bloodwork done and in the next one, i will be better.
Do i keep the HGH everyday?
Doesn't the OP mention that he is an attorney in his profile. Lawyer jokes aside, what credence would an attorney give to the opinions of a bunch of plebeian muscle jocks?
yep, sure am a attorney, would not consider anyone plebeian and i appreciate the opinions.
Oh, your just saying that to be polite. Seriously, if you did appreciate the opinions, what motivated you to run off and use such dang much gear bro? Gear really isn't that dangerous unless you get out of control with it. You were running enough EQ to send your hematocrit through the roof. Your blood thickens and clots so easy you can stroke out on the stuff. For real bro, I'm not trying to scare you but you're lucky nothing bad happened. Very lucky.
actually, who is plebeian on this subject and was even plain stupid was me, i simply misunderstood the directions because of the language barrier (the ACRONYMS) and did not do enough research. I am not one to dwell on mistakes, i learn and move on...
Thank you, i sure am glad nothing happened, but lets wait for the blood work.
One for your forum fella. I thought I'd seen just about everything.
the good thing, is nobody is going to make the same mistake as i did. (if they do the correct research)
Hello Sir, i am so thankful for this information.
My first 2 cycles was of the same substances, only difference was dosage on the BOLD that was 150mg 3 times a week and the timeframe that was 8 weeks instead of 10. I was able to lose a great deal of BF with the last two (BF when start 30% - 15% last week BF test), so if i do this one correctly i think it's going to bring me closer to my goal.
You guy know your stuff, i had the most painful experience in the last two cycles with PIP, but didn't give up, i still have bumps that hurt where i took the injections and i was able to pay a registered nurse to do the applications and even so i had terrible bumps and pain.
I started HGH therapy last year and am using straight up till now, started with 1ui per day, never stopped.( i really don't know why, but it stopped my depression)
I'm going to try and find out if i can get my hand on masteron here in my country. It is extremely difficult to import or find "real" drugs in my country, already had terrible experience with fakes and lost money.
I just found found Masteron from a lab called Muscle Pharma that has a logo with a snake, you guys know this lab? ( i think this guy never sold me fake, but who knows)
well i am trying to lean up, i am already vascular and defined in arms, legs, back and have a good deal of lean mass (171 pound of lean mass as of the last test). But as i stated above, all the extra fat that i have is on the belly and at the side of the chest (under the arm).
My diet is really tight and i am using Coconut oil and avocado oil to cook
i am also taking:
Idol 3 Carbinol 400mg
Saw palmetto 160mg
L-tiroxine - 75mcg
Triiodotironine - 15 mcg
5 HTP - 200mg
Omega 3 1000mg
if you need any more info just tell me, you guy are great and so much knowledgeable.
I am so thankful i found this forum.
All the best
RustyhookerInfo like that is EXACTLY what eroids is all about!
RustyhookerAlready on cycle. Bf? Goals? Toss that winny.
Full stats? Missmatched cycle bro.
I need to loose excess fat in the abdomen and chest and increase in muscle mass.
I am 6" 196 Pounds and my BF is 16%
What do you mean by mismatch cycle, could you enlighten me? i would be thankful and am still on the first week, so i can correct the issue
RustyhookerBold will need 16 minimum...test to 18. Id raise the bold to 600. Must donate a pint of blood around week 10 because rbc.
Winny will mess up your joints, not worth it imo. No magic pills.
Problem with bold is it can raise appetite. If it does, munch on veggies like broccoli. You're trimming down which is 100% food and sweat so know your clean filler foods. Cruciferous veggies.
I'd concentrate on the cutting fat. Its near impossible to bulk and trim. BUT.....with hard volume workout in the gym it's possible to add a lil mass. Basically, its one focus though.
Magnifying glass up top...makwa, catalyst. They're great on diet help as needed. In General forum, catalyst has a food forum on top.
I prefer anavar when cutting. Its a strong anabolic for holding muscle. 50mg a day the last 6 weeks split is plenty if its good anavar. But again, its all based on diet. Test and eq is plenty to meet your goals.
Wow man, thanks for the explanation, i will raise the Bold, i've felt the raised apetite, mas am kind of used to my diet, that consist basically in Cruciferous Vegetables, lean protein and little to no carb.
I am focused on leaning up because my focus is to loose that rest of the manboob that i had, it's almost where i want it to be, but it really bugs me.
I will try to find anavar here in Brazil, it's so difficult to import, the mail already ceased my HGH one time.
So i have to work with what i have, but i am truly grateful to you sir, will follow your advice
honestly you need to forget the cycle if you haven't started... diet till you get the desired weight you would like, building muscle requires excess calories in turn will add some fat if your going to do it right.
thank you for taking the time to respond, but really, i have been trying all my life to get results and didn't because my genetic just won't accompany. But after i started hormone therapy, i not only lost weight, my health in general has been raised, even in the 80 days i took of from the 2nd cycle i've felt good. I am dieting a lot, only eat clean. My only mortal sin is Coke Zero ( i know, but its a disease).
Anyway thanks for your reply.