3rd Cycle about to go DOWNNNN
Hello All! It's weird since I feel like I know a lot of you but nobody knows me. I've been a longtime lurker and as of now, using the SEARCH button has yielded me some damn good fuckin results
Right now I'm planning the longest cycle I've done yet so I want to make sure I've thought this through and researched properly.
Stats:
5'7
195 lbs at around 8-10% bf
29 years old
Been training for 10+ years (was a professional athlete so this journey hasn't always been about aesthetics)
I'd love to post pictures but I have some tattoos that are easily identifiable and I live in the public eye, so that's a major no-go. If I can figure out a way to remove the tats for pictures and hide my face, I will.
Goods:
-Test Enanthate
-EQ
-TBol
-HCG
-Aromasin
-Nolvadex
-Clomid
-Letro (just in case)
Support:
-Cycle Support
-Liv52
-Vitamin B6
-Taurine
-DAA (I have this in bulk but not sure if it would fit in anywhere)
Goals:
-Gain LEAN mass with minimal water retention and retain the most I possibly can. Again, I live in the public eye. There's no doubt that people will be commenting on my badass muscle gain, but if I were to be bloated as well, there would be no denying what I'm up to.
Diet has always been on point! I'm thinking of moving up to around 4,500 calories and monitoring closely. Training is on point as well. I follow a hybrid powerlifting/hypertrophy style method which has yielded me the greatest results for my body and for my ego haha. Hitting each body part 2x a week integrated with a very detailed and planned out Squat, Bench, Dead program. I may switch to a purely hypertrophy-focused program and just maintain my compound lifts for now. It may be good to give my joints a bit of a rest from the heavy weight all the time.
Cycle structure:
W1-17: Test E 500mg/wk
W1-16: EQ 600 mg/wk
W1-5: TBol 50-60 mg/day
W1-17: HCG 500iu/wk (this one is confusing for me as there's so much damn contradictory information out there. I feel this is way too long on HCG but others say it's totally fine.)
W1-17: Aromasin 25mg EOD
PCT
W19-22: Nolvadex 50/50/20/20
W19-22: Clomid 100/100/50/50
I'll resume taking my supps from before cycle: Creatine, PreW/O, etc.
Support:
Cycle Support throughout the cycle. Preloading it two weeks beforehand. Taking standard dosage on bottle.
Liv52 throughout cycle and PCT.
Vitamin B6 throughout cycle.
Taurine throughout cycle.
Letro will be kept on hand just in case. I doubt I'll have any issues with the choices I've made but better safe than sorry. I've had this since my second cycle and never had to use it.
Have I missed anything? Anything I can do better? Is the DAA I have worth adding in there somewhere?
Thank you for the help, as always!
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Dude your AVI translates to " wet shit" I'm laughing my ass off here...
AnonI'll be damn.... Sure does
Who comes on here and names themselves "wet shit" or "wet poop"...... Lmao
RustyhookerAn 18yo ......
Sounds about right. smh
bigmurphIf you have android photo editor right in the playstore
Like gearhead said you will bloat but you can stay as dry as possible by adding Proviron to your cycle but then you will have to adjust your ai.
I would never recommend taking hcg for that long you will have guys say its ok but guys will also say its ok to run 2.5 grams of test and I personally think thats crazy also but everyone is different. With the hcg though last 8wks take at 500iu split 2x a wk this is how I run mine and last 8 wks meaning right up to pct so you will take your last shot of hcg then a couple days later start pct. I have found this to work better than just blasting a high amount at the end and keeping it at 8wks helps because the longer you run hcg it will eventually stop working for you.
Why are you stopping the eq a wk early because of the half life that it lasts longer in your system then test im guessing but you might as well just run it all 17 wks then just wait 3 until starting pct. But you can end it earlier if you want either way will work I would like to get the most out of the eq though.
Thats alot of aromasin do you have issues with gyno estro has a place in letting muscle grow so you really want to keep it low but at a level where you still get its anabolic effects. I believe that Proviron would be great for you at 50mgs a day split then you can lower your aromasin intake and adjust as you get your bloods done. It will also free up alot of Testosterone allowing the 500mgs to do more than it normally would without it. Your pct looks solid and you take vitamin and supps so thats good also just get bloods done and what type of diet are you planning what are your macros breakdown.
You say you ran other cycles what where they just test or something else
AnonThanks for taking the time.... But I also run test two weeks longer than EQ because of long half life... Waiting 3 weeks in my opinion is no good.... EQ is not test, that's my reasoning
Not saying I'm a doctor
But that's my 2.5 cents
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkbigmurphSo it is better to actually stop earlier then to try and run it longer and wait out the pct. Good information because I have read it both ways but I value your opinion.
Thanks brother
AnonNot necessarily stop early.... Last time I ran bold it was 16 weeks and the test was 18
Please post a link to a study showing "the longer you run hcg it will eventually stop working for you." Doctors prescribe it to TRT guys for years straight.
bigmurphThis is it guys on trt don't have to worry about how long they take hcg but he isn't on trt he can not just run hcg for long periods of time because it f up your fh.
Here is the link I understand that you want me to prove that what im saying is true but man come on this is the second time you have called me out and others are doing the same. I only post the knowledge I have read.
https://www.steroid.com/HCG.php
Read the whole thing about dosing and how long time use effects you.
I didn't realize I've "called you out" before this. Believe me I'm not reading thru your posts looking for gotcha shit so that I can then be an ass to you.
Steroid.com has some of the most out dated info on the internet. It has it's place to get a basic understanding of AAS but that's it.
Guys on TRT can run HCG for years without issue because at low doses desensitization doesn't happen. Think about it, if a guy is running HCG to simply stop atrophy and it caused desensitization, it would stop working and his balls would shrink. I've never once read a guy on TRT complaining of diminished effects from HCG.
Rustyhookernever once read a guy on TRT complaining of diminished effects from HCG
So that's how you use it on your trt?
What point are you trying to make Rusty? I'm stating my observations of a particular group of the population. I never once referenced myself but since you asked, until 2 weeks ago i had only ran hcg one other time, can't remember the dosage or duration but it was short term. I stopped my TRT May 16th to see what happens to my natural levels. I'm currently running 500iu/day split Am-Pm. My dose will decrease as time goes on.
Rusty, can you provide a link to a single medical study that proves desensitization of the leydig cells......
RustyhookerYou claimed full knowledge of trt guys. I questioned your parroting abilities. Simply asked YOUR trt protochol. Your answer confirms things
Desensitization at receptors. Cited at bottom from extrapolated works
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0006291X7891570X
More science of desensitization.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6264875
Llewellyn proof on blast method followed by power pct explained. Cites desensitization from hcg overuse.
http://forum.lockoutforums.com/vb/showthread.php?27324-Post-Cycle-Therap...
Your reading comprehension sucks bubba. I never claimed full knowledge of TRT guys, I simply stated my observations.
Your first link is useless. It provides zero usable data.
Your second link shows that the cells are only temporarily desensitized then return to normal. Really just helps to better figure out dosage timing.
Third link who cares just a forum thread. Btw no I didn't read it all, maybe there is a link in there somewhere? If not, just third hand bro science.
RustyhookerJust more proof of why you're stagnant
Rusty you are a fucking moron. You still on your neverending multi-compound mega cycle? You still 35% bodyfat like you have always been?
bigmurphI shouldn't have used the phrase called me out i didn't mean it like that now that I read back over it thats not how I meant it.
If you're on trt though yes running hcg is completely ok but if not you don't want to run it for long periods of time. The effects on your lh production which is why we use it to get through pct easier does diminish this is the reason I was saying not to run 17 wk. 8wks or the blast at the end is the 2 ways that work well for helping you get through pct easier. I believe that the op only needs to run 8wks and it will work out fine for the way he is looking to use it.
I don't want you to think that I believe that you are looking for my posts to make me look bad I just worded it the wrong way brother. I didn't mean to offend you in any way or make it seem like you are being an ass to me.
No offense taken man. The whole theory of desensitization is just that, a theory.
RustyhookerI agree. Even the trt guys use it short term to plump the nads and done.
Llewellyn and his fancy phd chooses the blast method. I think the phd is the way to go as you stated on more false signals.
Redundant to turn on the balls for then immediate shutdown because you're on cycle
RustyhookerWhats your normal estro conversion? Aro at that dose is high. Aro only lives a few hours as well. Its suicidal and strong.
Gearhead has you below correct.
Bro, steroids won't deliver this for you. If you wanna add mass, you're gonna add fat and water. Bloat is common to varying degrees. If that is going to negatively impact you, I just would lay off the gear.
Adding just lean dry mass has been the dream of every bodybuilder (including me) since the sport began and steroids were introduced. Nothing will elude you more the harder you chase this dream.