posted Thu, 03/15/2012 - 14:16
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2nd cycle preperation for fall.
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So I did my first cycle this past fall.
I know its stupid and I should have used a lot less butttt I did the following..
Week 1-6 Test 400mg
Week 1-6 Tren 180 mg
Weeks 7-12 Tren 800mg and Tren 360mg.
Then ofcourse a post cycle.
For my second cycle I have been considering the following
Weeks 1-12 Test 400mg
Weeks 1-4 Dbol (suggested dose?)
weeks 4-8 Tren 180 mg
Weeks 8-12 Winny or Clen
Stats-
Age 21
Bf 10%
Weight- 200
Height- 6'4
Looking to bulk up about 20 pounds and cut it all up at the end.
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Ok since you seem like you decided to do so anyways. Lean mass cycle. Tren a 60-75 ed/sustanon or test e-c 500 ew. Can add some Bold at 600-900 each week if you like. Need anymore help? PM me then. What diet you on tall guy? Goodluck
Can anyone recommened a good cycle for me to gain lean muscle on?
I want to pack on some muscle and stay around 8% bf...
Im asking for advice to do it the RIGHT WAY.
sgtstedankoWake up. 7am. Sprinting on an empty stomach 3-4 times per week. Nothing but optimum nutrition amino energy, Korean red panax ginseng & creatine hydrochloride. At ea stop from sprinting do 45 seconds of pushups, & crunches, military pushups individually. For ay least 10 min.
0730-45: protein shake/bcaa 2 scoops
Workout hard! 1 hour
Another protein shake after. This one w/berries mixed in.
0830: 4 egg whites, 1 w/yoke, 1/4 cup steel cut oats. Mixed with vanilla, cinnamon & 1 tblsn flax oil
3hours later. Eat every 2.5 - 3 hours: 5 oz grilled chicken boob, 1/2 cup quinoa with flax oil
5 oz piece of baked chicken, w/spinach salad & balsamic vinager/olive oill
Low cal protein bar & a handful of unsalted almonds
10 oz salmon steak w/brightly colored veggies & a small piece of fruit.
Casein protein shake & handful of popcorn, before bed. Take zma, as well.
2cups of water w/each meal, at least.
lather, rinse, repeat!
This is an very extensive 212 week cycle/s, where only the strong survive:)
research test only cycle! that where you need to be.
sgtstedanko:'( absolutely not, lil bubba! You need to learn patience & your body's natty limits, dude. What's your hurry? You obviously haven't a clue, what you're doing. You are gonna fuck yourself up. I will not help in this debauchery.
Is it just me or does something not seem right. He said he was almost 300lbs once. So he changed his diet and is down to 180. So he should have no problem gaining wait at all. Listen to these guys here they know what they are talking about. Personally If I was you I would drop back and punt. You first cycle was a mess. I would start back with test e at least 500mg for 10 to 12 weeks. See how your body reacts to just the test. Then next cycle run test at 500 or a little higher and add dbol and deca to it then. Drop the tren clen and winny.
Ill help you. I never judge someone who wants to cycle. Imo its everybody owns choice to do so even if your stats are pretty weak. I know being tall sucks for gaining mass. Im 6'3 myself but being 200 lbs with a cycle behind you is extremely bad. Anyways my first question is why you wanna do such a dirty bulk then cut up again. You should just gain mass without increasing your bf or by not increasing it 'a lot'. Dbol I would put at 40 mg ed. Test at 500 mg. I dont see any point of having tren in at 180 a week. Seriously you wont get anything out of it at that low ass dose. Either take it out or go 400-450 a week. Why take winny or clen when you wanna bulk up 20 pounds? Doesnt make any sense to me. If you really are only into gaining alot of mass I would totally change your cycle into Test e-deca-dbol. That combination is probably the best for mass and has created some big monsters but you will also gain bloat and a bit of fat out of it depending on your diet offcourse. If you have any other questions feel free to ask my iron friend.
Well im more about gaining lean mass is my goal. I dont want that monsterous look. But a bigger lean look
Well your cycle still doesnt make any sense even if its for a lean bulk. Taking clen is not neccesary in a lean bulk neither is talking winstrol unless you are already very low bf. 10 pct is alright but wouldnt call it very low. Winstrol wont make you leaner if your on a bulk cycle. You wont even notice it.
So many things in the "wrong" catagory here that I think I'm with tread... I'm a fan of the tortoises, all you hares can jump on board encourage the lil bro to his future issues
Im not trying to have future issues. I have admitted to my faults and am looking for help and advice.
Ok, here it is... Pull off the juice and RESEARCH!RESEARCH!RESEARCH!
You have plenty of natty to get you through the next few years. use this time to gain knowledge, dial in your diet and max yourself out natty before you turn to AAS
my .02 (you asked)
tread-mWon't help you fail brother, wish everyone the best though. There is a reason you learn compounds and their effect, it is to manipulate and carve your body. This is guesswork and lack of patience IMO and while I hope you don't, I've watched too many like you come and go while the turtles pound it out with success one day at a time.
I know I tried to rush it and really dive into it my first cycle which was stupid of me and im trying to do much more research and do it right this next cycle. Ive seen how my body handles it and even at high doses now so im just looking for advice and I really am sitting here with open ears. Not some dumb kid just posting his cycle and going to do whatever he wants anyways. I would love to learn from an experienced user and do it safe and right
tread-mYou already admitted you tried to rush it little brother and tren #2 again? Now if you are someone dead serious about making a life and career out of this then you talk to ody or someone who is working those goals but even if you are serious I always advize test for a young guy dead set and a BB's diet for one year. There is a 99% chance you fail on that diet which makes the rest irrelevent. I know, you're the on..heard it 100,000 times brother. Prove it, walk one yesr on that diet and not so much as a cheat day and then you know you have the stuff if genetics are on your side. Not the BB's won't cheat now and then but they have proven it already. If you just want to look good and grow over time and even aspire to be great for other reasons then slow down and do it right. I love these designer stacks but first many were not that and I still fucked it up. Just think about it and see if you have the kitchen in you.m maybe you eat "clean" or you eat really clean but stack that up against the kitchen work of a BB trying to spend his life in this and it is likely a joke. Nothing against you I just rarely see anyone who understands the science in a builders diet and even more rare to see one that can do it if they do know.
I have had a strict diet for over 2 years my friend. I was an obese kid at 280 pounds. I worked out for a year and dropped down to 180 pounds without weight training. Diet and running alone. Then worked out another year trying to build muscle and tone up. Now this third year I am more focused then ever. I eat a strict cutting diet daily trying to drop to 7% bf. Chicken, egg whites, fruits, veggies and protein shakes. This isnt something I go about casually. I have dedicated my LIFE to fitness and am determined to NEVER go back to what I was, but to only progress and have the body I have always dreamed of while being made fun of all throughout school.
You are right. I have to admit I started at an early age because I wanted to go pro back then but I still had investigated aas for over 1.5 year before even starting it and I knew exactly how my body reacted to different types of diets. Now I still compete but more for a hobby. Being realistic being tall, long limbed and thin base cant win in this 'sport' where midgets basicly rule lol. I mean look at Branch Warren that won the Arnold this year LOL. Ugliest shittiest physiek ever. I agree with your post 100 pct. No reason to do these type of cycles in begin with those stats if your not going to compete. Besides his cycle is pretty ridiculous. Tren at 180 a week...... Winny and clen in a pure mass cycle.....