2nd cycld
Hi guys. I'll be turning 30 soon and was starting to plan my second cycle. id like your thoughts on this!
First one was test e at 460mg / week x 10 wk (actualy it was 262 e4d) with .125 mg adex eod. Pct was a simple nolva
Im 6 feet tall and went from 225 14% bf to 245 18% after sheding almost 10 pounds of water in pct. I honestly never had been so hungry in my life and my diet kinda blew which is why I packed on so much bf I think. other then that im happy with the gain in lean body mass I got!
Im trying to cut down back to 15% bf before going for another round and here is what I was thinking.
Wk 1-11 Test e 350 mg
Wk 1-10 equi 250 mg
Wk 4-11 dbol 40 mg ed
Adex, liv 52 and hcg throughout with a nolva pct.
My goal with this cycle would be more of a recomp, if I could end up with a 235 12% id be happy. From what I read dbol tends to kill apetite which would help me, and equi helps with rbc which my cardio woul definately benefit. Liftwise id be mainly working on my 2 weaknesses which is grip strength and explosiveness. Any thoughts?
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Based on everyone's insight i've scrapped my idea of running different things and next time again be with testosterone only.
1-3 test P at 75mg at first then 50mg EoD
1-12 test e : 460mg / wk
1-13 anastorazole .125 mg ED
1-13 HCG 250 iu e3d
15-18 Nolva 40/40/20/20mg ED
15-18 Clomid 100/100/50/50 mg ED
Pretty much the same as last time, with an increase in adex frequency, 2 more weeks duration and a little kickstart with test propionate.
I'll be cutting naturaly for the next 6 weeks or so, and start probably in july a month after my cut will be done.
I've also made an apointment with the nutrionist at the gym so i can get my diet in check this time around and not blow up like a baloon animal. I had my blood backs and was told my good and bad cholesterol ratio is horrible so i need to get that in check too with a solid diet anyway...
What's with the EoD Prop for 12 weeks - kick and taper OK but why throughout exactly?
Its 3 weeks. Prolly like 75 eod for the firs 5 shots and then 50 mg eod for the last 5 (should last 20 days) the test e is throughout . Maybe im not writing what I mean correctly
If u want to taper with prop u stop the Test E two weeks short and u want your prop taper to equal your Test E mg as best u can which for u on an eod pinning schedule would be 125 mg prop which is actually 438 mg over two weeks a 3 pin week and a 4 pin week. Realize also the prop is a lighter ester than enanthate so u are getting more test per mg with prop than with E. Then u can start your PCT after the last prop pin (or wait a couple of days) cause I think prop only elevates plasma levels or has an "active life" of like 2 days.
EQ is way too short, d Bol is too long, and you have wrong test e protocol.
EQ stimulates appetite while d Bol kills. That's contradictory to what you want
D Bol aromatized into estrogen which increases fat gain.
Need more research
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I finished my 2nd cycle just last summer im 32 so were not far off. Im not as tall as you (5'9"). I ran test e 600mgs a week for 12 adex on hand if needed with a var finish weeks 9-14 50mg everyday pct was 2days after last var tablet. Clomid100/100/50/50 nolva40/40/20/20 was pct. Before I started I was around 235 and 18 to 20% bf so I dieted down for 2 months and got to 220 and about 15%. I ate lots of
cruciferous veggies broccoli, cabbage, brussel
sprouts, kale etc etc etc and dry proteins turkey,
tilapia,really lean beef, venison tons of egg whites
oatmeal sweet taters . Diet was workin so good I
stayed with it throughout cycle with a few tweaks
here and there. I finished at 210 with 12% bf had abs
for the 1st time in my life my best so far. Cardio in the am and weights in the pm then straight to bed.
Oh and grip strength was a problem for me as well bro farmers walk and deadlifts helped me tremendously in that dept. NO STRAPS!!!. and those 2 help burn lots of fat as well..
Bro,
I am one of the few that absolutely rejects the idea that higher BF guys shouldn't run gear. It's some kind of urban legend that many have just accepted as fact. If you're diet is correct, gear is gonna help u build muscle and lower BF. Period.
HOWEVER, the cycle u are proposing is not properly constructed at all as mtyhooker says below. No, excuses bro, use the search feature on this site (the magnifying glass on top of the page). Read about recomp stacks and come back with something appropriate for the community to consider.
Honestly bro, I have serious concerns about your last PCT and I don't want to participate in your becoming a TRT patient. So, for me, I'm not willing to give you any advice until I see a current blood test posted cause it may turn out - fuck the cycle - u need to see an endo and get your natty test production going again.
Wishing you the best (get the blood test),
GearHead
RustyhookerCycle isn't correct at all. Simple test with var(if bf is lower) 8-14.
If your recomping you don't want D-bol. It only kills appetite in some folks, for me I eat like a fucken horse and retain a tire of water around the waste, which drains after a week of no dbol but still...rolltide is on point! EQ is a long slow compound skip it, run a nice clean test only, smash it up in the gym and the kitchen and you will be rewarded! Also have a look at your pct-wether your running hcg or not you should still use a standard pct... just my humble opinion. Good Luck
Dbol is not what u want it blows u up makes u hold a bunch of water the eq is a waste at ten weeks that's simply to short of run with eq. My suggestion test only at 500 a week for 12 weeks. U need to get bloods done at week 6 I'd say u need to up your ai a little if u gained that much water and bloat. U can take a good test only cycle either way with diet either bulk or lean its all about your diet. Learn how to control your body first under test before adding anything else if u don't u are just setting yourself up for failure
For the bloodworks, i had them taken last tuesday I should get results soon, but I think i'm ok. Might have messed my lipids a bit though. Ill see what they look like when I get my results. My bp seems high a bit though but i havent had this much fat on me in many many years so hard to say whats the cause.
I may have mispoken I meant im gonna drop back down under 15 bf before trying to cycle again. just tryibg to plan ahead for what ill do. I have no intention of rushing it though so ill try to get to 13 before starting. Maybe 12 and try a real bulk but with something to deal with the food cravings like some ephedra? Or would that be too harsh on the bp?
For pct ive read a bunch of ppl saying nolva alone was enough which is why I ran it alone at 40/20/20 but I have no problem runing clomiphehene alongside and addind another week. They are kinda cheap.
Thanks for your input, ill go back to the drawing board!
Honestly, I say DIET and CARDIO will get you down where you want... I think 15% BF and up is a no-no when it comes to running gear.... EQ makes you hungry, and dbol makes you hold water along with the test.... Your pct is off too bro, you really need to run clomid 100/100/50/50 and nolva 40/40/20/20... I'm pretty sure everyone else will recommend the same.... Oh BTW have you had any bloods done lately to make sure you had a full recovery?