posted Wed, 09/14/2011 - 12:03
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1st Timer, Advice Greatly Appreciated...
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First off, I appreciate you reading my post and taking time to lend your advise.
Secondly, I have read quite a number of Steroid 101's and FAQs from many forums.
The cycle I am describing below is my take on all this information...here goes...
Weeks 1-10
Nandro Test 400 (10ml)
which is a mix of 200mg of Test Enanthate and 200mg of Nandrolone Decanoate
Dose:
800mg Each Week (2ml), Splitting the dose - Tuesdays and Fridays
Weeks 1-6
Dianabol
50mg Everyday, Splitting the dose.
What do you guys think?
Also, I would greatly appreciate any recommendations on PCT for this cycle. Let me know how this sounds....
Week 1-10
Nolvadex 20mg each day
Week 12-15
Clomid 20mg each day
Thanks in advance for your help!
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AnonThat is exactly the point of this debate the one size fits all rule doesn't apply to steroids. Everyone is suggesting 0.5mg eod whatever compounds people are running. 1mg maybe more than enough for you but i have read about people using 2mg a day and i would propably be one of those people if i had to use it again. In general a man with low estrogen has almost 0 risks/sides, high estrogen on the other hand can fck you right up we all know what that can cause.
AnonI know what you mean but when someone doesnt post his bf and wants advice on a test deca dbol cycle then i am bound to suggest a hefty dose of adex. Reason beeing is 75% of men are gyno prone, also anyone with 15% bf trying a cycle is asking for gyno. Puffy nips btw might be a bit too late for some people i think that is bad advice. A lump is not always hard puffiness in your eyes might be the lump itself.
Also adex is not like letro which can kill your cycle. It will not hinder any gains other than affecting your cholesterol and in really high dosages your libido it is a very mild AI.
AnonReason i suggested that much is because of the very high dose of dbol and the deca test combo, for a first cycle without knowing the guys bf it is better to go high on AI's rather than low. A hefty dose of adex wont even limit your gains you might loose a hardon for a day lol, but if you dont dose enough you might be fighting gyno for months later.
Anonseems good for a first cycle. i mean, my first cycle was a combo of test/deca (separate vials, though) and i ran only 250mg of each per week x10 weeks and saw CRAZY gains! but, everyone is different... and luckily my body responds really well to even low doses. it is advisable to usually run like Rods says: 150% test to [insert stack here] but for your first cycle (and if it's all you can afford) you should be good for now. keep the PCT on hand and wait until you actually see signs of gyno...
now, i'm only saying this stuff for FIRST CYCLE! after this i would really start doing some serious research (i would start BEFORE cycling, but if you're like me you've already made up your mind) and listen to some of the other guys on here.
i second just about every post here.
also, maybe i'm being a little paranoid, but i would shake the bottle of nandro test before extracting from it. i'm not sure if the oil is the same between each roid but if they were made separately and then filled into the bottle the oils might be different weights and might separate in the bottle. and if they're the same color you might not even see the separation. just my 2 cents
Thanks for the response. After speaking with a lot of people on here, I ended up going with 500mg/week of test-e (for 10 weeks) and with 6 weeks 40 mg/w of dbol.
And PCT products of course.
AnonVery wise choice i would still drop the dbol to 4 weeks no need for 6 weekst and take 4 tabs liv 52 ds throughout per day.
I will pick up some liv52 soon, thanks!
Also, I did not order any Arimedex/Proviron, only Clomid and Nolvadex.
Should I order Arimedex/Proviron and take it maybe EOD throughout my cycle?
Or would you recommend taking the Nolvadex throughout my cycle and just finishing off with Clomid?
AnonIf you dont have an AI stick to nolvadex on cycle 20mg ed and use the clomid for pct
Ideally you should have adex but you might be able to get away with nolva
TxBigBoyHonestly I'd save that deca/test blend for another cycle and since its ur first time just run about 500mg test E a week along with the Dbol @ 40mg a day for 5-6 weeks. That's the exact cycle I'm on right now and it's going great so far. Also I would get the Adex or proviron and keep them on hand but wait till u see signs cause u may not even need them the first time around. As far as PCT I'd choose one or the other. I personally have nolva for this cycle but I've heard great things about clomid. If your set on using the deca then Add another 300mg of test e to it and you should be good. But yea do more research, the more things u add to it the more sides u encounter. That's why it's best to keep it simple first time around, learn what your body is prone to. Good luck though bro!
Anon50mg dbol for a first cycle is way too much. Your test e to deca ratio is not ideal but you will still gain from that. Make sure you have some proviron on hand for deca dick.
You can either do 40/20/20 nolva pct or 100/50/25 clomid or both it is up to you
Also i would suggest you run 1mg- 1,5mg arimidex a day or letro to be on the safe side throughout your cycle. You also might need dostinex and you need milk thistle for the time you are taking dbol.
Good luck and do a lot more research you are asking for trouble.
When you say that the test e to deca ratio isn't ideal, is this because I added the dbol?
If this is my first cycle ever, do you recommend that I do the andro test alone or should I add something other than dbol?
Do you know a supplier for arimidex?
AnonYou need about 150% test to deca ratio. Ideally you would be using 600mg test and 400mg deca or 300mg deca and 450mg test. It has nothing to do with the dbol like i said you need to research more. Best supplier for adex is alldaychemist and extremepeptides
Anonhi,
Id def keep the deca and test levels the same for the duration. i'd also be inclined to run the PCT a little longer prob up to 30 days and a slightly higher dosage of the Clomid, 50mg min ED from wk12 on.
The Nandro Test 400 (10ml) is in 1 bottle, Premixed. So the ratio of 200/200 will be the same, if that is what you mean by keeping the levels the same.
Will injecting this on tuesdays/fridays be enough? lol
I saw another post that was recommending the Nandro Test 400 (200mg test-e + 200mg of Nandrolone Decanoate) at 1ml per week then adding a separate test-e (300mg) along side of it. Do you not recommend this? What is the reason for keeping the deca and test levels the same?
So to be clear, you recommend 50mg of clomid for 30 days which starting at week 12?
Anonyeah, just incase you decided to use a separate mix instead. The idea of keeping the levels the same is to avoid a spike in the levels which isnt a good idea when running test as it will cause problems with your endoctroine system and free test levels.
yes, def run Clomid for longer at at a min of 50mg. some go as high as 100mg.