test 400 first cycle
Hello all, pretty new here - been reading around the forums, got a couple of quick questions.
I was going to do a cycle of fuerza test 400, 1 ml for 10 weeks,
split the injection to .5 c on a mon and friday, to keep blood levels stable.
I'm going to do nolvadex 40,40,20,20, 3 weeks after the last shot.. for PCT
i didn't really want to do clomid, because i've read about vision problems?
but if you guys think its a must, then i guess i'll have to grab a box.
i suppose my question is, do i need an ai for this cycle?
ie. arimidex, i think i can get my hands on a box of 28 pills, 1 mg each
will one box be enough?
im guessing .5 mg, is half 1mg?
im not going to start this cycle untill i've got a box just in case but do i really need to take .5 mg a
day from week 1 to 10, or should i only start taking this if i notice signs of gyno...
thanks in advance.
hopefully i've posted this in the correct section...
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This has so much information! @P you know your stuff this is pretty much the same cycle I want to run.Looks like my question was answered here.I'am going to get the Nolva and the Clomid together for my Pct.
Thanks again guys, for the great reply's, it seems there is a hell of a lot to take in, some words I've never even heard of and some stuff going on here which is pretty hard to get my head around, I don't want to rush into things and end up messing myself up so to speak
- I wasn't expecting such a detailed reply on here, but I'm very grateful, just want say great forums. I'm going to stay active here, read a lot more.. And hopefully learn more.. Thanks for the info!, cheers P!
You're welcome...and keep learning
thanks for the advice, im gonna have to stock up these first than,
so if .5 arimidex is half of 1 mg
whats .25?
thanks again!
In reference to Arimidex dosages;
1mg tab = 2 x 0.5mg tabs.
1mg tab = 4 x 0.25mg tabs.
thanks alot
There's a few points i would like to touch on regarding your cycle layout zorgus;
- A 12 week cycle is recommended, however a 10 week cycle is sufficient. Running testosterone enanthate (a long estered compound), this takes approximately 4 weeks to kick-in, at a point where levels have build- up and are sufficient, means that in a 10 week cycle you only have 6 weeks of 'growing' time. However, in a 12 week cycle, using the same compound, you now have 8 weeks of 'growing' time. As you cycle more often, you will appreciate the extra two more weeks of 'growing time'.
- An AI is mandatory for all cycles, in the same way that PCT is mandatory for all non-TRT users. - You can either use Arimidex or Aromain, both are perfectly acceptable forms of AI for this cycle. Adex 0.25mg E3D, Asin 12.5mg EOD, and increase the dosage if sides appear.
Why an AI
Taking into consideration that our androgen levels are well in excess while on cycle, the fact arises that the potential for excess estrogen dramatically increases. By allowing estrogen levels to rise uncontrollably, we are opening ourselves up to a host of symptoms associated with high estrogen. Outside of the risks of gyno, there is also the concern of sexual dysfunction. How many times do we see comments or reviews where a lesser experienced user is claiming bunk gear due to decreased of libido? Often times digging a little deeper into the cycle log or history of this individual, we will find an improper cycle and AI issues. Although some of the symptoms are minor, with gyno and libido issues being the greatest concern, there is no need IMO to experience any of these sides if they can be avoided. Considering that once you have gyno, the only way to get rid of it is through surgical removal, we should realize that these sides are much easier to prevent than they are to reverse. The AI’s main role here is to achieve greater hormonal balance and provide control for the user so as to avoid the occurrence of sides. AI: as needed or necessary? (By: Dossier and P)
Here's when I dose;
-AI's > Aromasin: In the Morning
-PCT > Clomid: Throughout the day
-PCT > Nolva: At Night
Why:
Free testosterone has reached a peak in the late morning until around mid-day when the sun has risen, this is why you wake up with 'morning wood'); so to capitalise upon the daily peaks in your free testosterone, I dose my aromasin in the morning. This will prevent any peaks in my estrogen throughout the day (since its half life is ~27 hours) and it will also further increase the amount of free testosterone in my system, since aromasin removes the binded testosterone from your sex hormone binging globulin (SHBG).
I dose my clomid throughout the day, because clomid is highly surpressive, it gets me emotional if i take a high dose all at once. Also i want to keep my blood levels as stable as possible to prevent any further sides.
My nolvadex dose is taken before i go to bed at night, since this is when estrogen is peaked in the human body. Nolvadex is an anti-estrogen, so while im sleeping, the estrogen is under control, which also aids my testosterone peaks the next morning.
How your testis make natural testosterone.
(REMEBRER TESTOSTERONE DOES TURN INTO ESTROGEN THAT’S WHY WE TAKE AI's)
Leyding cells(your testis)---->make Natural Test------>(some turns into estrogen)-------------->pituitary Gland(Makes LH)----LH goes to------>Leyding cells(testis)make Natural Test--------and the process starts again...
If you have too much estrogen well now there will be too much estrogen hitting pituitary so the pituitary cannot make LH—no LH than your Testis can’t make test..Which is what happens after Cycle.
How Clomid works during PCT when your Testis can’t do shit.
Leyding cells(your testis)---->make Natural Test(some turns into estrogen)---which isn’t happing cause they are shut down and LH is not hitting your testis----------->Clomid blocks estrogen from hitting the pituitary(now the pituitary can make LH)---->pituitary Gland(Makes LH)----LH goes to------>Leyding cells makes Natural Test(your testis start to come alive)--------and the process starts again the correct way..because Clomid it blocking estro and your testis are coming back online.
thanks for the great info and putting it easy terms to understand.
- so i get what clomid does now..
does nolvadex work in the same way, or do both meds together work on different things?
there both anti estrogens right?
once again much appreciated.
Nolvadex - increases in the serum levels of LH, FSH, and most importantly, testosterone. And also helps block estrogen. However, it helps your body increase your sperm count because of that. In fact the bad thing about Nolvadex unlike Clomid is that it doesn’t on its own increase sperm count or their motility. However, you still needed it because it does increase your LH and FSH which we need for healthy testis.
Both nolva and clomid play two different roles in your PCT, thats why we combine the two and even more recently the three (with the addition of aromasin) to optimise our recovery from the synergy between the three compounds.
its my understanding that clomid is what works to increase lh and fsh by like you stated earlier, blocking estro at the hypothalamus, whereas nolvadex blocks estro at the breast tissue and uterus. obviously since we dont have a uterus, nolva is taken to prevent gyno during recovery. im still looking to better understand the synergy between the 2 that everyone speaks about. imho i dont believe that a 40/40/20/20 nolva protocol is even close to necessary for a simple test e cycle, especially not one at a 400mg per week dosing, AND if you're running an AI thruout pct. there seems to be a major shift in what we know and apply for post cycle therapy, and ive seen many of the vets around here changing their stance on nolva dosage as well. i personally suspect that nolva will slowly but surely fade from what we now know as standard pct protocol, and be replaced with safer, more effective compounds with far less side effects and tendency towards causing estro rebound. its all a process of moving forward as medical science advances and new drugs are discovered that we can apply to aas usage and the following pct
+1 for critical thinking.
The fact that we recommend nolva at 40/40/20/20 is obviously a generic recommendation based upon personal experiences. All of my past cycles used this nolva protocol and all have seen me through a healthy recovery, thus since this method has worked time after time for myself among many others I believe it is a sufficient protocol to follow. Additionally, blood tests from subjects using this nolva protocol vs no nolva vs another nolva protocol have clearly demonstrated that the 40/40/20/20 dosage split is once again optimal and this is once again substanciated by lab tests and studies.
However, on the other hand, we fail to consider each persons subjectivity towards the compound and how their body reacts to nolva - some may find that a dosing protocol of 40/40/20/20 is far to strong and some may find that the aforementioned protocol is far too weak. This information is difficult to tailor over the internet without all necessary information available.
Very true in deed. Another protocol option for nolva would be to use a 20/20/10/10 split, with clomid at 100/100/50/50 and aromasin at 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25 over a four week period. This supports what you are saying by the use of an AI during the cycle in addition to PCT will affect the PCT protocol dosage requirements. In fact, i've seen bloodwork published on this PCT protocol and the recovery rate (with aromasin in your PCT) is far more sooner and optimal.
As far as nolva's replacement - yes there are many, toremifene, triptorelin etc. but there has not been sufficient research conducted on the effectivity levels each of these compounds have on the human body and also the effects these compounds have on a bodybuilder.
Exactly, mikebuie, it's about using the knowledge we have to move forward and improve.