Second PCT after coming off HRT
Hey guys first post here. I'm 23 years old.
long story short at 21 I did 3 cycles in one year only coming off long enough to pct, and my final cycle was 12 weeks of tren and test.
no surprise that I didn't recover after pct, although my t levels were over 1000 4 weeks after pct, but dropped to 350. Anyways I didn't know what the heck I was doing and so I went on HRT for a year, 80mgs of cyp a week, with hcg for the first 8 months.
I got off march 1st, so about 9 months ago and did Power PCT. I ended pct with a 600 T level which is the lowest I've had during pct.
I got off because the athletic commission banned trt in combat sports so I need to be all natural now, or else I'd just stay on HRT.
anyways if u made it this far thanks. I'm doing a second pct as I think it could be beneficial, as I'm learning that after a year cycle IF you can recover not only will it take a long time but can take a few pcts. I tested a 450 T level back in June 3 months after coming off, with a free test level of 7(9-20) way below the range and had all the symptoms. Still have almost all of them.
this is my plan
clomid
50/50/50/50
Torem
120/90/90/60/60/60
Aromasin
12.5mg EoD
vitamin D3 10k
zma
healthy diet and exercise
blood work after 6-8 weeks
only thing I'm not quite sure about is aromasin since I'm not getting off cycle, been off for 9 months, but have heard that its started to be accepted as a PCT staple, especially on this site.
was hoping for some input on what I have laid out and if there's anything that I can do to make it more likely to recover if I can.
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drolskiethe best power pct ( reboot) is clomid /nolva / hcg/ aromasin, 6 weeks usually something like-
clomid- 100-50-50-50-50
nolva- 60-40-40-40-20-10
hcg- 2000-iu- first shot- then 15 more shots eod @ 1000iu
aromasin- 6.25 eod weeks 1 and 2 then 6.25 eod weeks 5 and 6
natural supps worth adding- daa, fenugreek, a good multi vitamin.
what side effects are you having?? how do you know its clomid?? clomid is very important in a re- boot??
Thought I would update this periodically for anyone who is doing a second pct after not quite recovering the first time, or attempting a restart.
well I'm 4 days in and I feel great. Day 3 and today I haven't felt this much energy in almost a year. I forgot what it felt like to be ambitious. Normally all I thought about was sleeping and looked forward to bed time. I cut the aromasin out as it was giving me a lot of low E sides. I am a little moody here and there and anxiety is up a tad, but my confidence is ten fold.
Having said that I don't have any libido and slight ed. This happens to mr every time I take serms though, I can only get about 70% erections. On the plus I ordered some Cialis so that should take care of that problem.
I am also experiencing frequent urination and am holding less water then nromal appearing leaner. Having said that my wangdoodle doesn't seem to have adequate blood flow and appears white at times. TMI I know.
also have dry skin now and its peeling.
I usually get a lot of low estrogen symptoms when I take serms so this is normal to me and I'm not letting it effect me mentally.
I'm going for the first workout today in months, feels good.
Clomid
35/35/35/35
Torem
120/90/60/60/60/60/60
will get bloods after ceasing clomis and will update this thread and see if I should add aromasin. thanks for the help guys
I decided it be best to keep the clomid in there as it seems to be very effective at restarting the hpta in a short time.
I also have some nolva on hand was thinking of running all 3 seems. What do you guys think
clomid
35/35/35/35
Nolva
20/10/10/10/10/10/10
torem
120/90/60/60/60/60/60
aromasin
12.5mg eod
I know its overkill but I already have some nolva left over.
is this a bad idea? Would I be fine with just clomid and torem?
Well its recommended in the Power Pct protocol.
usually 2000iu EoD for 10 shots followed by nolvadex and clomid.
that was the first protocol I did getting off HRT and the same protocol I did getting off my last cycle before beginning HRT.
I can't afford the hcg right now so I'm just going to stick with what I have.
also my balls aren't shut down like they were on HRT, they were raisins coming off a year of test. Now they are pretty normal, as much as I remember and I think I can do without the HCG altogether. I believe they are primed now to receive signals cause by SERMS.
Although it would probably be more effective with it. Having said that it would produce a lot of intra testicular estrogen which is why I believed my SHBG was high in the first place in both pcts.
I will do my best to get blood work on 2-3 weeks and update the thread. thanks guys
AnonCan you keep this updated periodically? Im interested in hearing about your results, blood work, etc...
Absolutely, I'm already getting bad sides from the clomid so I think in just going to run Torem solo for 8 weeks.
120/90/60/60/60/60/30/30
aromasin 12.5mg EoD
I will try to get bloods 4(halfway) weeks through and see if I should change aromasin dosage and see how things are going.
AnonAre you running 50 mg clomid/day? If so try dropping it to 25mg/day or eod.
AnonWell I had bloods done 1 week after PCT, too soon I know but I wanted to make sure my totem was legit.
total t 783
free t 12 (9-21)
estradiol sensitive 12(3-70), should be 20-30 frm what I read , no wonder I have all the low estro symtpoms
SHBG 60(16-55) hopefully this will come down
lh 7 (1-9)
fsh 7 (1-15)
so seems like my pct was legit , see if my numbers hold.
this was taken 4 weeks ago, and I will have a full blood work up in another 3 weeks, which will be 8 weeks since end of pct.
I'm not feeling too great, I have all the low estro symptoms. Dry joints, dry skin, lethargy. Moody, get the urge either to cry or smash something all the time.
anywho hopefully this will pass in time as my body gets back to normal.
Pct looks fine, although I'm not familiar with how to dose torem. I'd like to know what your estro levels were in your blood test, considering something is binding to test. Outside of that, if the pct is not successful due to a bad axis, consider low dosed clomid therapy as an alternative to trt.
My estrogen was actually low, I was taking letro during pct. But my SHBG was 108(15-51) the highest I've ever seen. I think due to the HCG blast I did as this happened in both pcts I did. 2000iu eod for 10 shots. I know seems raise shbg, but my natural level is 19 and on trt it was 34 with the same ranges.
hopefully my shbg wont get crazy this time without hcg and the addition of aromasin
I don't think I'd do clomid for trt, I lm already getting vision problems four days on it, and anxiety even with aromasin( although the aromasin could be causing it by lowering ny estro too much). My joints are already clicking but I don't want my shbg to raise again so in going to stick with the aromasin.
thanks for the imput
Aromasin will lower it, while you're on it. But you said no more trt due to regulations. So, that limits your options.
Ah I was thinking you suggested it because of my age, apologies.
They don't allow clomid, hcg, or ai's :(.
I don't see how they can even test for clomid. But ok
They're so anal about it now. Robert Mathis (nfl player) got suspended this year for taking Clomid for fertility reasons.
No shit.. That's fkn crazy
What's even worse is Chael Sonnen a MMA fighter was forced off trt due to the ban, and did a restart with clomid hcg and arimidex and was tested out of competition and got popped for them all and a one year suspension.
Should I run the aromasin all through PCT, or can I do just the first 4 weeks alongside Clomid.
6.25mg EoD as 12.5mg is seeming too strong.
Run it thru but cut dose in half at the halfway mark. If low estro sides start to show, the. Either reduce dose further or discontinue.