help!!! gUYS...Im with Anabolic Wonder. I am more confused after reading this thread. Ok heres my problem,gentlemen: Im 54, 8 weeks into my cycle, 1st cycle in 30 yrs. I havent worked out in 2 weeks though continuing with the gear as i grew despondant over no gains and also very tired.why? obviously been totally natural all this time and boy am I sorry, as my gains have been comparable to an anemic church mouse. Im now on 500ml of sust per week and 30-40 mg dbol daily.(I cut out the dbol the last 2 weeks.)
Ive so far gained 15 pounds going from 170-185 AFTER 6 WEEKS, my highest weight of my life! But sadly, it doesn't look good. I just became a SLIGHTLY bulkier version of myself. I cant even find the 15 pounds..Its not in the belly, my calves got a bit thicker and my face got a bit fuller. tiny,tiny widening of the lats.No muscle. Thats all. My thoughts are, i cant afford all that expensive AI crap they sell on the internet so i went with the cheapest AI,proviron. also using it to bring the muscle under all this water out. besides nolva which is proviron. Heres the question and its about all AI'S- Isnt it possible that Ai's can actually cause gyno rather than prevent it? Rebound effect? I heard 2 guys on another board admit that when they stopped taking nolva, they THEN developed gyno! Whooaaaa. I went thru 3 cycles in my 20's with nothing,as we didnt know about ai's back then, and i suffered no gyno,testicular atrophy,nothing but oily skin for sides. And even now I am not even suffering with the oily skin my deca gave me 30 yrs ago. So why not leave well enough alone?Take nothing,even when going off the 14 week cycle??? The real question is, i bought some proviron with my gear to test out the new seller(yes he delivered) but what about REBOUND EFFECT that so many drugs can have, and what if the "freeing up of free floating testosterone" i keep reading about, in some cases does not help me with testosterone sides,but actually exacerbates them? Will proviron work at 1mg per day as i bought 20 1mg pills????Can I get sick at my age from taking or even "not" taking it?

All I know is something is wrong in the AI world if everyone is recommending something totally different,depending what board or thread you are on. That means that unlike testosterone being the base every "bulker" should use..there is no comparable drug in ai's that fit everyone. So what is my downside in using proviron alone? Gyno is my main concern and id like to get cut up and see whats under this water weight i musta gained.. But I heard it should not be used alone, simply because of the rebound effect it "might" have.And one more thing guys if you can bear with me...I cant afford to pay more for ai's than my actual gear. I only acquired twenty 1mg tablets of this stuff and I am thinking of breaking it in half the first week to see how my body reacts to it. I never had gyno, but when I gain weight, my pecs seem to be one of the first places the weight goes. I have heard using the roid TREN A. is in itself a AI. True? I added 75mls into my stack yesterday and i had non stop diarrhea that kept me up all night long! I am glad I listened to you guys on this board and went with the acetate instead of the enanthate. whew! what do I do with the rest of it? Im sure none of you would recommend taking it. Unless maybe I used like 1/4 of the dose and see if it acts at least like a cutting agent. Worth a shot? I would appreciate any and all opinions. Just realize Im 54 and what works for a 30 yr old body may not work for mine. I still astonished that with 500mls a week of sust., my sex drive went up just a tiny bit and yet when I was 22 on 1/2 that amount of deca, I was horny non stop, almost to the point where it became annoying. HOW CAN I GET "THAT" FEELING BACK AGAIN! -)
Thanks guys.

proviron is basically DHT ! It can not be taken year round four to six weeks like most orals to be taken off an on maybe be start or end of a cycle !

Your body becomes more androgenic with Provi the "good" feeling and the libido are from DHT and its effects! It is very very mildly suppressive and used at 50-150mg per day X4-6weeks

Inspiring debate, very helpful! +2

Ok I have read so much shit on proviron, I dont get any of the science behind any of it. I do not have the highest IQ so I need a simple answer, can someone break it down barney style? I am about to start a 25 week cycle of Test E 600mg EW and weeks 10-25 I am going to run Masteron 400mg EW. I have read shit telling my that proviron is good to incorperate into PCT and I have read that I shouldnt do it. I plan on running Clomid and Nolva in my PCT and I have 5000iu of HCG I havnt figured out how I should dose it and when, but I would appreciate a simple answer should I include proviron into my PCT.

Thanks

Proviron would be perfect as in In the late 70's and early 80's it was used with some success in controlled studies of men suffering from various forms of depression. Although it's not an appetite steroid like EQ is.
When people are sad are depressed as to to expected when they lose someone they are close to they lose appetite. Improve mood and appetite will follow. By the way sorry for your lose.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proviron
http://www.ehow.com/about_5623338_proviron-used-for_.html

I have to disagree P.

Mesterelone is a great example for how myths in Bodybuilding exist for ages. Mesterelone does NOT stimulate the endogenous testosterone production, it just replaces missing androgenes. It's features are very close to the DHT which means it does not aromatize and it has absolutely no anabol effects.

Many athletes use mesterelone while on a deca cycle to prevent impotence and libido loss but in fact testosterone does the better job here and should be preffered. Beside that it is much cheaper and the muscles will grow faster too.

Even 250mg test e will do a much better job then mesterelone.

Application while PCT is also senseless. It is used to raise the decreasing androgene levels. Indeed it will maintain Libido but it's basically just bridging (between cycles) because mesterelone has shown in many studies to decrease the LH by itself. LH prompts the testicles to release testosterone so mesterelone has nothing to do in a PCT.

And now the biggest misbelief Born in the USA: American Steroidgurus recommend to add mesterelone to every steroid cycle. This should improve the effect of the cycle because mesterelone raises the free testosterone in the bloodstream .Beforehand you should know that 98% percent of the testosterone in the blood stream is bound to the "sex Hormone binding Globuline" (SHBG) and to Albumine. Only the other 2% are free and therfor active. Mesterelone has a higher SHBG affinity than testosterone. So they thought the intake of mesterelone would raise the free testosterone and the user gets benefits from more active testosterone. That sounds good but mesterelone has shown in many studies to reduce the entire testosterone. Why does that happen? It is correct (as the Steroid Gurus thought) that mesterelone supresses the bound from testosterone to the SHBG, the Problem is that the Body notices the sudden increase of the free testosterone and metabolizes it in the liver. Own Goal.

But thats not the only misbelief. Mesterelone is often used as AI. It is thought that the mesterelone binds to the aromatase Enzyme and makes it useless. Unfortunately this is also not correct. As we know now mesterelone supresses the testosterone from binding to the SHBG and so it will be stronger degraded. Less testosterone is equal to less aromatization and that is the only reason why less water Retention and less fat is reported.

if you really want to take it you can take it year round. it does not have a 17-alpha-alkylation so it is not liver toxic. But it doesn't really make sense at all.

Awww yeah. Sorry for bad english

Proviron...Should you use it?

Needs to be cycles like everything else. It is a light steroid but will still shit you down lightly or harder depending on doses. One thing I noticed tho was alot of hair loss on proviron. I'm not probe to baldness but still I'm loosing hair like crazy!