Low E, Normal T and bad ED
Hey guys,
I ended a cycle in January, and followed it up with a standard PCT of Clomid and Nolva.
I ran arimidex throughout my cycle, and everything seemed to go well.
Now my problem is that I've had a low libido, and difficulty keeping my buddy interested. I've been supplementing with tadalafil, but I'm still having a problem staying aroused. So I do what any of us would do, and I got some labs.
Here's the results:
LH: 12.8 (1.7-8.6)
FSH 15.2 (1.5-12.4)
Test 837 (348-1197)
Estradiol 7.4 (7.6-42.6)
The LH and FSH levels are pretty high, which is more than likely due to the AAS, and it's clearly not a sign of testicular shutdown since my test levels are toward the upper range of normal.
My Estradiol levels, though, seem low. They really should be in the double digits. This should explain the problems that I've been having.
Any thoughts on these results? What's your take on them? Any idea on how to fix everything?
EDIT:
Age 23
BW 185
BF 9-10%
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The one thing I would do besides going to see an Endo is run a thorough blood test to make sure this is not a fluke. I would get the hormone panel for males from labsmd. The reason I would get this test is that testosterone in measured in LC/MSMS as is estradiol it will also measure free test. Since you have a HPTA problem you want to make sure other things governed by your pituitary are not out of wack such as thyroid and HGH. This test will check IGF-1 LC/MS and thyroid. You want to find out if your lipids are affected. You want to verify that the 1st bood test was correct.
http://labsmd.com/tests.php?view=all&show=2235&category=14&search=#2235
Got one question how are you feeling??? Any vision problems are headaches???
I have no issues with vision or headaches that have been at all apparent. Just typical sides of low E, (dry skin, libido, etc)
Horney goat weed, let your body normalize, if it doen't see a doc-stop trying to get someone to sign off on HCG. the last thing your young frame needs is more compounds. should have came here and asked first, your endocrine system and operation could have been explained in detail and you wouldn't be having dick issues right now.
After reading more, I've read suggestions of running HCG to kickstart aromatization.
Another suggestion I read was running TNE for a week without an AI, it hopes to encourage aromatization.
Any thoughts?
That's not the problem. You my friend have a medical problem that is not going to get solved on this board. You should have aromatization at 800+ test level and do not.
HCG is like LH and will do nothing for you as LH is already signaling the testes at max levels and the testes are producing testosterone. Your looking at it the wrong way your ED is not from the low E2. Your problem lies in your hypothalamus/pituitary. Your HPTA axis is not operating correctly. Persistently high LH levels are indicative of situations where the normal restricting feedback from the gonads is absent, leading to a higher(brain) pituitary production of both LH and FSH. So why is there no feed back to shut it off? That 800+ test level should have dropped that LH production. So where is all the GnRH coming from since you say your not taking anything? It's time for a Drs visit and not just any Dr but an Endocrinologist.
IT"S TIME TO SEE AN Endocrinologist. You are not going to fix this on your own.
https://uthsc.edu/endocrinology/documents/ch08-lecture-slides-Childress.pdf
More is not better
Especially when the more you suggest is TNE, which could mess with all the work you just did with pct drugs
One of te reasons could be estro rebound from arimidex during pct, which is why ppl stress to run aromasin during pct NOT adex
READ THIS
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/pct-and-aromasin
Sorry if I was unclear. I stopped the adex usage when the test stopped. Waited a week and began a PCT of clomid and nolva.
RustyhookerStress alone effs up sex drive. Your e2 is low. Stop the roids!!!!
Any nutrition store. Horney goat weed. Follow directions on bottle.
Stop the tadafil asap! Your issue is mind over matter. Freaking out makes it worse. Unless you also got tren stupid...
I've been off cycle for about 4 months now. And about 3 past PCT.
Any way to raise E2 back to normal levels?
RustyhookerHorney goat weed. Let body nirmalize.
Do you think a short run of HCG would help?
I won't delve too far into the reasoning behind the AAS use at this age (mood elevation, competitive edge etc.) but at this point it is what it is. Luckily my test production bounced right back, I'm just in this pickle.
I ran just short of 10 weeks of test E @ 500/wk
.5 adex ed (bumped up to 1 when needed due to sides)
PCT:
Clomid - 100/100/50/50
Nolva - 40/40/20/20
I opted not to use any HCG, which in hindsight, may be what's causing my issue.
After PCT, I was still having issues, so I ran a few OTC items (Unleashed, Post Cycle, D-Aspartic Acid).
Now it's not always a problem.. I'm able to be successful maybe 1/3 of the time, but those numbers are only good in baseball, not in the bedroom.
Thanks for your help everyone
I really don't like the attitude of it is what it is...and what sport/sports do you participate in...we need a height as well because at 185 and a decent height you'd have no business cycling even if you were 25+ you're a pretty small guy unless you're short...it sounds like you've tried a lot of things to rectify the situation on your own but it may be time to see a doc...no one on here wants to give a young guy advice that may hurt him...you may need a doc that can help you and try some things and monitor your bloods and progress
Please do not take my attitude as being arrogant, or as not caring about the situation. I'm just doing my best not to freak out more than I already am.
I'm 5'8 and I vary from 185 on the low end to around 200 on the upper side (depending on where my training lands)
I'd say my main sport is competitive weightlifting, but I do modeling gigs as well.
I'm just trying to get a take on those levels and see if my initial reactions are way off base?
Thanks.
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at 5'8 and the bf % thats needed for modeling 185 and 200 are way different
im NOT calling BS, its just always strange when someones has been here 4 months and have 0 posts or comments except the post where they are asking advice on something they have already done
I was here before, maybe 2 years ago. I built up a rep, and they wiped everything out when the format changed (or maybe I was inactive too long).
I take off seasons when I try to gain more weight. I'm definitely not implying I'm a lean 200 by any means.
I'm pretty sure the issue is the E levels, but I haven't ran into this problem before. Where should my E levels be sitting to be considered "optimal?"
Your new hormonal imbalance is most likely caused by running a hormone altering AAS cycle before your endocrine system is fully developed.
Your body wasn't done figuring out how much of what it should be producing when suddenly it was shut down and put into a "manual override"...
Kind of exactly why we do not support the use of AAS by anyone under 25.
Problem is we don't know what the cycle was either good looking out bro
What was the cycle... Smh running a cycle at 23 bro not cool this is exactly why we warn u young guys not to cycle ED blows bro all the muscles in the world won't keep a girl around if u can't keep it up...what was cycle and full pct you did asap
That ED and that high FSH is what you see in guys with fertility issues. He may have given himself permanent birth control. Needs to see an endo.