posted Sat, 07/22/2017 - 10:56
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Hi all just a quick question on letrozole,I'm very gyno prone so when I ordered my npp,test and dbol stack for my next cycle I got letrozole as well because other ai's never really did work at keeping gyno away on cycle,now I'm reading that letro will kill my gains because it will kill all my estrogen and I need estro to build muscle,is this true and if so is there a low dose of letro I could take that would do the job of taking care of gyno but still leaving enough for gains,all insight appreciated
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I as well have problems with Gyno and have been running letro at 1.5 EOD but i am considering going down to 1.5mg three times a week (m, w, f)
I use half a tab (2.5mg pill) of letro twice a week on cycle of 1500 gram test. It helps keep the estro in check but it's note enough to kill it in my experience.
I was considering using nova during cycle to keep estrogen away from nips, but i think my body acne will go nuts.
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Hey brother I too am e2 sensitive. Being e2 sensitive/gyno prone ai's are very important, and unfortunately costly. I never use ugl ai's only pharmaceutical grade such as Astra Zeneca adex, and Pfizer aro. Bloodwork is ultra important to know exactly what's going on. Nolva is good to add in if you're in an active state of gyno, and works best when paired with aro. Letro is a last resort imo. I'd have it onhand just in case, but would try pharm grade aro, and adex first.
Also when new to a site as I am also new to this site if you have questions it's always better to read the rules, make an intro, list your stats, and your aas experience. That'll help get you better answers to your questions brother.
No brands in forums.
Sorry...won't happen again.
ShamrockseanyIt's a balls bro isn't it? Haha I'm on dbol,npp and test and the dbol is after kicking in ATM,I'm afterputting on size but not that much water and they gyno that did flare up a bit has died down and is gone so I think my pow dose of letro is working thank god,I was just worrying about it effecting my gains cos it would have been some waste of gear if the letro stopped all muscle growth lol,hopefully it keeps up I'll keep this post updated as to what happens and thanks for your input bud
RustyhookerYou should post your priors. Bloods help too. You're definitely going the wrong route. Pix help too
Area-1255If you crush your E2 and leave it in the floor for more than a couple weeks then at the very least you lose your pump and at the most you deflate your muscles (low intracellular water) and drop your IGF-1 levels quite a bit. So yes, it can ''kill'' your gains if you keep the e2 level floored.
Why would igf drop? I guess i don't know about this since letro has been the only ai that didn't drop my igf.
I never knew letro to lower IGF. Unless he means by crushing e2 for an extended period, which I forget if that has an effect. To my knowledge nolva is the only IGF lowering serm or AI, but I could be wrong on that, and the lowering it has is supposed to be negligible.
Side note: Aro supposedly raises IGF a bit, I'm surprised it lowered yours. Just goes to show how shit reacts differently in everyone.
Oops Idk what happened when I typed that.
I meant to say letro and exem didn't lower igf.
i use letro because it's cheaper. How the hell did I miss type that. My bad.
ShamrockseanyThanks man that's what I was trying to find out,so no effect to muscle building other than igf-1 being effected?
Man I'm getting gyno even at 180mg/week. I feel your pain. I order me some letro because I felt immune to Arimidex & Aromasin. Planning on doing half a tab every 3 days.
ShamrockseanyLet me know how it goes man and I'll do the same,I'm after taking half a tab everyday for 5 days just to get the gyno to subside,then half a tab every 2nd day for 5days and then gna stick at half a tab every 3 or 4days to keep it at bay,don't know if 3 or 4 is gonna do it yet so gonna do bloods after a few weeks and see what the story is
If you're that prone to gyno, you should run a serm on cycle too--nolva or ralox. It sucks to add something additional, but they will at least block the receptors and give you that added level of protection--especially if you are playing with your ai dose trying to dial it in. Even small fluctuations in hormones can flare up sensitive tissue. Also, drop the dbol.
You are right on the money as far as treating the problem. I just don't understand why he is dead set on running shit that doesn't agree with him.
If you are prone to gyno why in world are you running dbol?? Take a step back and rethink the whole cycle. Don't take drugs that your body doesn't like.
Agree, dbol and gyno no bueno
This is very true there are plenty of non aromatasing compounds that will help you achieve your goals and keep estro down.
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Damn straight brother. I won't even run my test over 200mg/wk because the estrogen starts to get out of control. Learn what your body likes/dislikes and don't fight it!!
ShamrockseanyI have used them all but none of them are strong enough so that's why I'm using letro
I have thought about using letrozole myself
Aromasinis getting crazy expensive
I have thought about using letrozole myself
You're not picking up what he's puttin down. He's not talking about Ai's. He's telling you to research steroids that don't aromatize heavily. You really need to do some reading man.
ShamrockseanyBelieve me I don't need to do some reading to know what compounds will and won't cause gyno,if I can run what I want and take letro at a suitable dose that will solve the problem then why not? It's almost on every post someone says you need to do some reading or you shouldn't be doing that till you do some research you don't know what your talking about,a load of sheep tbh,how is anyone gonna find out what suits there body unless they try it out for themselves,you can't learn everything by reading
I was trying to be nice but considering that you are a know it all little fuck, maybe I'll explain it better. If you like milk and are lactose intolerant are you going to drink milk? If you have half a brain the answer is NO! You will drink a lactose free milk. So do some fucking research and find some steroids that won't make you grow titties.
Its not about reading but he is correct I was just saying that tbol var primo ace no estro to worry about. Then there are inj like dhb or dht that would help you keep your estro easier to manage thats all
Its like pale said its all about dialing in your ai to meet your individual needs. If you're really gyno prone then letrozole is probably the ai for you. Run blood work on cycle to make sure that you don't crash your estro rather than just guessing. It will help you learn how to dial it in.
I was just gonna ask about blood work but you beat me to it blood work should always over shadow any guessing when on cycle in my opinion
Dose dependent. If you take a lot of letro it will crash you, but many of us find a little letro perfect. I take a half one twice a week and it keeps my levels perfect.
This ^^
Gotta dial in what works.
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ShamrockseanyThanks pale that's just what I wanted to hear so this is great,I want to get the most out of my cycle so didn't want anything holding me back,cheers
Exactly. I swear over time.i became immune to arimidex and had a hard time dialing in aromasin. Low dose of letro 3 days a week is perfect for me, dose varies on amount of test.
ShamrockseanyWould your dose vary by much depending on the amount of test? How much of a difference would you take between 600 and 900mg of test?