Forum: E2 levels, muscle growth, AI, questions ~Ultimus, 2013

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Ultimus

posted Tue, 05/21/2013 - 15:54

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E2 levels, muscle growth, AI, questions

Trying to learn more and seek knowledge and I have a few questions. I got my week 1 blood work done, check the cycle forum, which leads me to these:

1) Is there an optimal E2 level for building muscle? The range is 7.6-42.6 for men.

2) Can higher then the range above be beneficial in muscle growth at all?

3) My current E2 level is 99.2. Is there a way to determine how much Armidex is needed to get it back in the optimal muscle building range? Or is it a guessing game with blood work to see where you are hitting the mark?

4) How long does Armidex last? Basically if I took an amount that crashed my levels (which would be shown on bloodwork this coming monday) how many days on average would those levels stay there?

Any other comments or feedback appreciated

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~~MakaveliCD7~~
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05/22/2013 - 04:32

SexyMexy is correct...I myself have crashed myself with E2 and man did my joints pay for it along with my libido...I have learned that steady levels is the way to go on a slow decline but just understand that optimal range is scientific and everyone's body is different to react and u must find ur sweet spot and ur on the right track with bloodwork...I have also learned that homeostasis is a bitch sometimes LOL!!!

~~Anon~~
MakaveliCD7
05/22/2013 - 04:48

Mak that balancing act is a bitch all around

Doss
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05/22/2013 - 15:18

You ain't lieing

~~Anon~~
Doss
05/23/2013 - 14:52

Im on that tight rope too so dont shake me off ;)

~~MakaveliCD7~~
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05/22/2013 - 10:17

Yes indeed brother

~~Anon~~
05/22/2013 - 04:24

I know this has been a topic of debate lately, but Id like to point out that I think AI dose and E2 levels change based on what you are running.

In other words if you are running a test only cycle then I believe you can get away with having a little more estro.
If you are running a cycle with test and a progestenic compound like Deca then I think you are really gambling by letting your estro get high . From my own experience letting estro get high opens up the door to not only Estro sides, but progestin sides too.

As far as your dose and numbers, I didnt check your profile but that also seems to be massively dependant on age, BF % and cycle history. If you are lean and been doing this for a long time it seems you can get away with a lower dose , if you have a little extra BF then you'll need a little more than the lean guy.

Ultimus
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05/22/2013 - 11:26

I am very lean. 9% bf. always been this way

~~Anon~~
05/21/2013 - 20:41

Crashing anything is a bad idea. Peaks and valleys are not optimal and is the opposite of homeostasis. It could cause unwanted sides and make u feel like shit all around. Slow and steady declines in E2 is the right way to do it. Ur body is already busy trying to balance itself naturally and if you try and crash ur estro all ur doing is creating greater havoc on yourself.

j223
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05/21/2013 - 16:40

Hard to say, partially because everyone responds differently. Many do great at 40-60
This depends, I prefer to have estro between 30-40, but if estro gets too high appetite goes down. A little extra is never a bad thing. Some people do better at higher levels.
What dose were you taking before that caused you to have a level of 99?
I'd say 0.25mg every other day should get you in range

~~waltr~~
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05/21/2013 - 16:29

i can help with question 4, not so much the others though.

Arimidex has a half life of 3 days. So if you crash your estro and don't take any it should rebound quickly. Also arimidex has been shown to have a rebound effect on estrogen after stopping usage where e2 levels will rise higher than they were previously. Aromasin is suggested to people because it does not produce this effect after cessation and also increases free test levels.

j223
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waltr
05/21/2013 - 16:34

So if you crash your estro and don't take any it should rebound quickly.

not necessarily true It depends on many things. Specifically if he is on a really high dose of test
Also why would he crash his estro?? With arimidex it would take almost 2mg per day then immediately stop taking while on very high dose testosterone/dbol, to cause a rebound. please quit spewing information that is extremely far-fetched

not to mention his estro is almost 100, it's going to take a while to "crash"

~~waltr~~
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j223
05/21/2013 - 16:42

i was relating my information to his previous post about being on week 1 of a 500mg test e cycle...
and with arimidex if you stop taking it, 3 days later all the new estrogen that is converting from the test in your body isn't gonna be blocked by anything, so your estrogen would start rising again pretty quickly.

but your right i should have explained more.

i'm running sustanon a 500mg at week, and was taking .25mg EOD of arimidex, I started taking adex from day 1 and after a few weeks i started getting symptoms of low estrogen, dry/flaky skin, creaky joints...i changed my dose for 2 doses to .1mg and then upped it to .2mg and am no longer experiencing side effects of low estrogen.

j223
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waltr
05/21/2013 - 17:23

if you stop taking it, 3 days later all the new estrogen that is converting from the test in your body isn't gonna be blocked by anything, so your estrogen would start rising again pretty quickly.

not only is this dose-dependent, but since his estrogen wasn't bottomed out the body will not initiate a rebound. Rebound is a reaction that the endocrine system initiates (only when there is an extreme imbalance). However rebound does not happen each time arimidex is stopped.
when estrogen is LITERALLY zero and test is extremely high, this could send off the signal that estrogen is too low so your body works harder to produce more estrogen. This is a pretty rare occasion especially since arimidex will not bottom your estrogen unless taken in excessive doses (above 1.5mg daily) and the estrogen has to be at zero for a few days.
0.25mg WILL NOT CAUSE REBOUND!!!!!!!!