coming off first time in years
Whats up guys and grrrls .
I am starting to get a lot of the negative sides from AAS and very little positive results
I am currently back at doctors prescribed trt 100mg testosterone cypionate once weekly
and 1000mg hcg ed (without this my cock is worthless)
my first blast cycle just like anyone else without any diet or AI knowledge my gains were through the roof and sex drive was insane. 2nd blast cycle was no different. my 3rd and fourth however have been filled with low sex drive fucked up sleep blah blah blah while using great test blood levels were over 5000 and estro was in check.
I'm wondering could my receptors just be getting clogged. is my body rejecting the juice (btw at the moment i am using pharmacy test straight from the doc as well as anastrozle so quality is not the issue here).
I'm really at a loss steroids used to add to my life something great and now its all becoming a burden.
Now i find myself at a crossroads should i bump up the pharmacy test i get from my doctor and keep the hcg and see where this gets me, or should i really attempt a pct to just give my body the break that it might need.
My main issue is that in January i will be basically starting basic training and dont know if i want to make any changes that could possibly screw me up.
My 3 options the way i see it at least
1.
HCG at 2000 ius eod for 2 weeks
then after last hcg inject start clomid at 100mg ed for another 2 weeks
(a total of 4 weeks taking exemestane as necessary)
2.
Continue what i am doing as i have learned to function with it well
3
Bump pharmaceutical doctors testosterone cypionate up between 200-400mg a week as real human grade testosterone at a higher dose usually masks or fiixes any hormonal issues (if this would work it would be best as it would really give me a boost in this 3 month training ill be going through)
Advice and support is appreciated thanks all!
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Well my suggestion is do research on a sex gland stimulant called Tripterolin. I read about it awhile back, a AI user shut down his testosterone production for about 13years. They hit him with 100micrograms. Within 6 months his system completely restarted. It Also said you have to be extremely careful with this. It say if you hit yourself with 4mgs you WILL cause chemical castration.
Do you take the HCG on your own or is from your doc? I've been warned about overdoing HCG like that for too long. I forget the condition it causes, but 1000ius a day? HCG is a staple in a good PCT so try and taper way down on that. Maybe check out GnRH (gonadotropin releasing hormone aka luteinizing releasing hormone) to help get off it if you can at this point.
Maybe I missed something, but how did you end up on TRT in the 1st place? Were you not diagnosed as primary or secondary hypogonadal?
mr127superdeei never even heard the word hypogonadal
I used prohormones and oral only cycles basically from 16 to 18
by the time 19 years rolled around i was diagnosed with low t at 189 if i remember correctly
According to what you just wrote you are hypogonadal. There is no point in doing PCT. You have 2 options. Option number 1 is you go back to your TRT protocol. Option number 2 is you can try doing what's called a restart (I am assuming you are still relatively young) provided you are a candidate for a restart. The simple way to explain a restart (you should research this) is an extended PCT with lower dosages in the hopes of getting you back to normal. It's a lengthy process and it may or may not work.
AnonA restart needs high doses, the whole point is to shock your nuts/jumpstart your HPTA, kinda like jumpstarting a car battery.
That is one approach, that is primarily advocated by Scally. A lot of the other restart protocols are low dose Clomid (25mg ) EOD for months.
AnonFR me if you want more advice.
AnonIf u want a strong pct to keep as much as possible then go back on AAS here it is.
2500iu hcg eod 10 shots total
HMG 75iu ed until hcg is done or as long as u can afford
25Mg Exemastane eod
After Hcg and Hmg start clomid and tormifene for as long as you want meaning until you cant take being off AAS any longer due to stregth loss ext
Also HGH helps that is what i do.
mr127superdeeok
25mg exemestane eod! ill be in a living hell
but this sounds pretty spot on
AnonIf you need to lower it do so. Everyone knows there body best and reacts differenly to compounds, i dont get bad sides from Ai's some guys do if the dose is to much just adjust it.
All I can say is... I don't even know.. I will point you to someone if you want a REAL answer.......... FR and message me if you want...
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One-thousand IUs of HCG daily, wtf? Your dick doesn't work...get some proviron. I don't need an AI on 100mg of Cyp. I don't know anyone on TRT that does.
If this were me, I'd throw idea number one to the wind and formulate number four; three hundred dollars for blood work, a month of monitoring this blood work, and get HCG out of the equation during this period of blood work.
mr127superdeei use the adex because hcg at that dose will increase estro. proviron doesnt work for me. i have gotten the bloodwork done the only thing out of whack at all is the FSH and LH
Triptorelin (GnRH) keeps comin to mind for the low FSH and LH. What about your SBGH? Tadalafil (Cialis) give it a try.
PCT with Clomid/Toremifene for a couple months as well. Another possibility is excess prolactin. I'm getting these issues after almost a month of trenbolone. Deca as well. You'd need cabergoline/ pramipexol. Let us know what happened, it's been a while since you posted this
mr127superdeemy SBGH was 11 my proclactin was at 4.4 ive never run tren or deca. within the last 24 hrs i have fucked 5 times and came so my problem is fixed lol.
I pin 200mg testosterone cypionate 3 times a week mondays wed and friday (i switched from ugl to real human grade pharma and THIS DID make a difference)
I pin hcg at 500ius sunday tuesday and thursday (from swoleoil)
and 5mg cialis almost daily and im back to the fucking sex muscle machine im used to being
I also really backed off from the AI i now only pop .5mg when i feel a slight nip sensitivity and not a moment before an estro level in the 20s just does not work for me
If your estrogen is in check that is great news for you. But be careful with high dosages of hCG because it stimulates E2 production directly from the testes and anastrozle will not help you there (as it is not being converted from testosterone, but is directly produced in the testes).
mr127superdeegood info thanks buddy i will consider that will exemestane help that problem
How long have you been on for?
mr127superdeei have been on trt with the ocasional blast for about 3 years
Dude I don't think you need to be running hcg like that. Let's see what some of the vets have to say about this. Also I'd bump test up and drop hcg down to 500iu per week at att the most. How mach adex are you taking?
Or maybe you need to come off completely and run a proper pct. Do you know what that consists of? You should
mr127superdeeyes im definitely thinking about that as well though i know i need more than 500ius a week. this is a proper pct in fact it was recommended to me personally by an Olympia competitor.
I don't have a lot of knowledge in this area, but mentally, this will probably be one of the hardest things to do. I wish you luck though and I'm sure some more knowledgeable members will chime in
mr127superdeeyes thats definetly what i think will do me in