+ 1 Can I get some advice on HCG - Is it too late? (Flame suit on...)
Hi there... New member & New AAS user. I'm running into a wall with my research and I'm hoping the community can help me out by providing some guidance and clarity.
I'll preface this post by admitting and stating that there was a lot of things I could have done differently, but I didn't and I am trying to save my body before it's way too late... Or if it is then that's the consequences I'll have to deal with.
I'm a complete noob at this and AAS is foreign to me even after ~2.5 months of researching...
So I'm still learning and researching as best as I can... But I made a mistake by jumping into this without necessarily prepping properly, I'm racing the clock to make sure I don't eff up my body too much... And I was introduced to AAS by a PT who I trusted, but as I do more research on my own, he doesn't appear to be too knowledgeable...
I initially didn't want to post this to a public forum as im sure i'll be criticized for my decision as I should be... But, I'm at a point where I can't seem to find a straight answer so I'm seeking the guidance of more knowledgable members here...
So here's the background and info about myself and where I am at with my precarious situation...
I'm 34 yrs old, have been working out for the past 15 yrs, last 5 yrs has mostly been crossfit, but I've switched back to just weightlifting since May.
My goal when i started this Journey in April was to get my BF% down to 10% range & not really caring about my actual weight itself...
5' 6" starting weight as of 5/10 was 182 lbs @ 28% BF (I know... after reading and researching i'm not the ideal candidate for AAS as BF% is way to high with a significant increase risk with estrogen...)
But, as of today 7/9 I'm 170lbs @ 15.8% BF
I train 7 days a week, 2x on weekdays 1 hr each where AM's is fasted slow cardio and afternoon is 1 hr weights followed by 30 min cardio if time permits. Weekends is only 1 session.
Diet is clean ~1500 cals per day with 200G of protein / 30g Fat / 30g Carbs / 1 Gallon water per day.
I also take, Liv52, Fish Oil, CLA, Milk Thistle, and BCAA's.
First time AAS user and I'm currently on 4 different compounds
Tren Ace 100 / Test E 250/300 / Anavar and Winstrol
My first bottle of Test was from Iron Star Labs (250 mg / ml)
2nd bottle of Test E is from Pharmacom.
(Tren, Anavar, & Winstrol is all Pharmacom)
The cycle that I am on consists of:
Week 1 - Week 3: Tren 100mg EOD (300mg Weekly) / Anavar 50mg ED (350mg Weekly) / Winstrol 25mg ED (175mg Weekly) / Test E 250mg EW
Week 4 - Week 6: Tren 150mg EOD (450mg Weekly) / Anavar 50mg ED (350mg Weekly) / Winstrol 50mg ED (350mg Weekly) / Test E 375mg EW
Week 7 - Week 8:
Tren 100mg ED (700mg Weekly) / Anavar 60mg ED (420mg Weekly) / Winstrol 60mg ED (420mg Weekly) / Test E 400mg EW
(I'm currently on end of Week 9)
Week 9 - Week 12:
Tren 175mg EOD (700mg Weekly) / Anavar 80mg ED (560mg Weekly) / Winstrol 80mg ED (560mg Weekly) / Test E 400mg EW / Albuterol 32mg ED (224 EW)
The reason why I have increased the dosage is because I have not experienced any crazy negative sides at all. And since I'm seeing great results, with only a few weeks left in my cycle, I just want to maximize my gains as after this, I don't plan on doing this again...
I do not have any gyno issues, sex drive is a little lower than normal now (not initially tho). The only 3 sides I seem to notice: elevated body temp (this is random and not always consistent), not getting a full 100% sleep at night every 2-3 hours I would wake up and would fall back asleep, some minor insomnia but nothing bad & and lethargic and sleepy.
I have Nolva / Clomid / Arimadex/ Letro on hand for PCT, and am still trying to figure out the dosage as well as timing and length for the Nolva & Clomid for PCT.
What I've recently stumbled upon and have realized is that I completely missed out on factoring the need to include HCG on my cycle as well... I just placed an order on reliablerx website
Is it too late to add this in now? I'm approaching my 10 week mark next week... What would everyone advise?
I appreciate any advice that can be shared. Again I realize that i should have done my due diligence before jumping into this, so I'm playing catch up... I guess the good thing so far is that the sides that everyone has mentioned for each AAS is non existent for me... But that appears to be hurdle #1, the 2nd biggest hurdle is jump starting your body's natural function...
Thanks again and I really appreciate everyone's time.
(Pic posted in Self pics section for those curious on starting and current status)
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So after reading a bit more on HCG - can someone let me know if my understanding and usage is correct?
1500 iu / ml is what I have. 5 tick marks = 1500 iu, so each tick mark is 300 iu.
Suggested dosage is 250 to 500 iu EOD, but considering my situation should the dosage be higher?
And basically I should start HCG during the 2 week wait time before PCT. Do I need to take arimidex with HCG?
Btw - why is PCT 2 weeks after last Test Pin? Do all other AAS matter? Or is it because of the life it remains and stays in the system? So Test is the longest?
Thanks
If anyone gets a moment - can you let me know what type of bloodwork I need to get? I'll get that started right away.
Just ordered slin pins for the HCG.
Having chatted to you in your pic thread, at least I know you're sensible and unlikely to take this the wrong way. There's a "worst cycles of eroids" thread, this will no doubt get nominations. Your PT should change career to something else, the advice he has given you is utterly irresponsible. If any of the PTs I let work in my gym suggested thus cycle to someone in your position I'd physically remove them. To get it in context you're running the sort of cycle that looks tough on someone like me. I'm physically nearly twice your size and am a competitive bodybuilder that's been lifting for 25 years.
Dump the cycle now. PCT, blood work. If you do I'll help you tear the fat off you without putting your body through this sort of strain.
HGC has not arrived yet order was placed yesterday and would take ~10 days - should i wait for it to come in? or is it ok to run PCT with what I have?
Bloodwork - via legit route DR or via the online companies where I'll go physically in draw bloods and send it to the company? Sorry very new to the blood work stuff as well.
Thanks for your input.
NT
Stop, wait two weeks then aggressive PCT with Nolva and clomid. I'm not one for HCG, the guys will give you a rundown on it but for me it's not top of the priority list at present. The blood work situation - online, you boys in the States don't want that stuff affecting your insurance.
Thanks -
Im looking at http://www.privatemdlabs.com/lab_tests.php?view=category_result&show=184...
Is this the right test that I should be taking for bloods? anything else i need to add in to get myself check? Once confirmed I'll make the purchase and get bloods drawn.
Again - thanks for your help and input - glad to know there are complete strangers who are willing to help out others. =)
Not the right blood test. Your trying to reboot so you want to know your Testosterone levels your estradiol levels,LH,FSH, at minimum. Cheap way is labsmd.com hormone panel for females. When you use TREN it will cause a false elevated Estradiol reading if tested by privatemdlabs. That is why we use labs MD. They use a different testing method. Accurate E2 levels are important. If E2 is to high reboot will fail due to negative feed back.
Thank You!
So this is the one I should order: http://labsmd.com/tests.php?view=all&show=2234&category=14&search=#2234
Includes:
-Complete Blood Count / CBC (includes Differential and Platelets): WBC, RBC, Hemoglobin, Hematocrit, MCV, MCH, MCHC, RDW, Platelet Count, MPV and Differential (Absolute and Percent - Neutrophils, Lymphocytes, Monocytes, Eosinophils, and Basophils)
-Comprehensive Metabolic Profile ( includes eGFR ): Albumin, Albumin/Globulin Ratio (calculated), Alkaline Phosphatase, ALT, AST, BUN/Creatinine Ration, Calcium, Carbon Dioxide, Chloride, Creatinine with GFR Estimated, Globulin (calculated), Glucose, Potassium, Sodium, Total Bilirubin, Total Protein, Urea Nitrogen
-Estradiol
-Follicle-Stimulating Hormone (FSH)
-Luteinizing Hormone (LH)
-Testosterone Total LC/MS/MS (This testosterone test will also provide results when the total testosterone value is >1500.)
I checked and it has everything you listed. Do I need a specific panel to examine Liver as well?
thanks again... really appreciate it.
Liver is included but you need a specific panel to check LIPIDS.
No caber during this cycle so wonder what your prolactin looks like. So many mistakes.SMH
Get your blood work done. You may feel fine or not but your blood work will tell us what's really going on.
http://labsmd.com/tests.php?view=all&show=2207&category=2&search=#2207
Thanks! Just ordered these 2 tests.
Your first cycle you're running the most harsh and powerful injectable steroid at an extremely high dose, 2 methylated orals. Do you have any idea what this is doing to your lipid profile. Tren by itself will wreck your lipids, so will winny and so will anavar. Put the 3 together ESPECIALLY in those doses and this is a recipe for disaster. This is a contest prep cycle for a advanced bodybuilder with alot of cycle experience, knows the compounds inside and out, knows the side effects and how to combat them. Not to mention how suppressive trenbolone is.
A 1st cycle for anybody is test only. Its basic, pretty easy to control the sides and will produce phenomal results assuming diet and training are on point.
My advice for you is to stop everything, wait 2 weeks and begin PCT. And then go punch you PT in the fucking face. Get some blood work asap to see how much damage this did to your lipid profile and liver and look into the correct OTC supps to speed up the healing process. If its to bad you may need RX cholesterol drugs.
Pct should look like this. Starting two weeks after last pin of test e
clomid 100/100/50/50
nolva 40/40/20/20
Those are doses per day and week,so 100mg clomid a day for first two weeks etc. so all in all it last 4 weeks. Maybe go 5 weeks as I dont believe test e really clears in 14 days.
If you want to use hcg which you probably do with such suppressive drug like tren you run it at 1000ius eod for 10 days during that two week period you're waiting for the test to clear and then wait 4 days ( so this is 14 days total) and then start the nolva clomid.
Thank You.
Will getting bloodwork right now be accurate in re to my true levels? or should I wait? Will this be red flag to my Dr?
Yes NO
No it is not a red flag to your DR. The results are sent to you only unless you request that they be sent to your Dr.
fuck it, sick of typinf for people who ignore, must be to good.
(what did you type that I ignored? - your PCT recommendation in which i didn't get a chance to comment upon yet? )
You recommended a more aggressive PCT cycle. I didn't ignore your comment - i just didnt get a chance to respond with my questions and I was also looking for 411 on running higher doses of PCT.
There was now 2 recommendations - not exactly sure which to follow yours or the one above
What's the risk of using more PCT than needed? This Is something i still need to read on.
On another note HCG came in.
1500 IU AMPs and 1 ML Basicstero water. How exactly am I to measure this out to take only 500 iU EOD until 2 weeks is up before PCT starts?
Would you mind reposting your recommendation please.
Thanks
NT
Well said.
OP, you need to check your:
Lipid profile
Blood pressure
Hormone levels
T4/thyroid (Tren may damage thyroid)
Liver enzymes
As you can see you've put your body at great risk. Pray you don't end up on TRT.
HcG is far from the main issue here. This was such a screwed up cycle... It has absolutely no reason to be used by a beginner.
It's so messed up... I don't really know what to say.
I think advanced members would be of more help. I hope you recover buddy. Whoever told you to cycle this is not a smart person.
i dont know what to say either. Forget hcg thats the least of your worries.
What's to be done? It's very far gone.
And tren is such a supressive coumpound...
And you've never cycled before.
I'm just at a loss for words here. I'm sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Never cycled - first time with everything - complete virgin with AAS.
I still have a lot of other questions, I mean I feel completely fine for the past 10 weeks, but I'm dreading after my cycle - it seems this is when people crash hard...
Well freind, I geuss I should try and break this down.
You might've used one of the worst cycles possible for a beginner. It has been long established that a beginners cycle is 500mg/wk of testostorone enanthate or cypionate.
What's even more worrying is somehow you lost weight. 1500 calories a day? That's very inadequate to supply your body with what it needs. Personally I eat 6500 calories a day. Most guys on here eat 5000-9000 calories a day. Diet and training always come first, then when a base is built, and discipline is established AAS may be introduced.
I honestly think you best bet is to abort the cycle and run a standard pct. Hopefully you will recover.
Have you gotten pre cycle bloodwork done? This is how you know your baseline natural testostorone levels. You also need Bloodwork during cycle, and after pct. This is the only way to tell if you have bounced back.
Actually can someone tell me - if the results that I'm experiencing is not typical at all...
What should have been the outcome of this cycle as first time user?
Should I have increased weight and BF because my starting point was too high? And I am more prone and at risk of increasing estrogen?
Deleted because I didn't see the posts above.
The replies were not coming in order on my phone.