Anti Estrogens + PCT
Hi guys
Iv read some info on different anti estrogens and pct combinations and im so confused? Firstly there is sooo many different products like clomid, nolvadex, proviron, aromidex, IA? Etc And it sounds like they all do pretty much the same thing! Blocking estrogen, So what would be the point in running loads of different types of products that do the same thing? Im guessing its because they each block it differently and range in their effectiveness. If thats the case could some1 just lay it down for me and say which ones are the most important and when to use it? Because i also read your supposed to take some of these anti estrogens during your cycle ASWEL AS pct like 3wks after starting cycle. My little head feels like its gna xplode with confusion.
Sorry for being a newb and asking such a basic question but if any of you could clear some of this up id really appreciate it. Thanks!
Also iv never cycled at the moment im just researching.
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Seems to be all said lol.some folk with eye problems can get bad sides from clomid so thats one to wtch out for if your have anything wrong with your eyes.pct seems to be getting questiond a lot lately but i think as a standard for now. Clomid 50/50/50/50 nolva 20/20/10/10 aromasin 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25 i would not run this all for your first cycle tho its all trial and error so you gta learn how you are with each compound.maybe try nolva/aromasin first cycle then add in clomid second cycle.theres also amino acids like d asparic acid that you can buy cheap that have been shown to increase test levels by 40% in just 2 week which you can see how this could help greatly in pct.theres also tapers of doses of aas and priviron use before the end of cycle maybe last 4 week not for first cycle tho but i am still a bit on the edge over the proviron crk.if you want to go on my profile and click forum there is a post i have written where way talking pct theres quite a few good ideas and science written that could fast track you to learning some more.good luck bro
biggerthanyouPct should be:
Week 1&2
clomid-100 mg/day, nolva-40mg/day, aromasin-12.5mg/day
Week 3&4
Clomid-50mg/day, nolva-20mg/day, aromasin-6.25mg/day
If you take aromasin during PCT you can lower the Nolva dose to 20/20/10/10 instead of 40/40/20/20. Also, Aromasin should only be 6.25 everyday for the 4 weeks of PCT or 12.5 every other day.
edit: also when you start PCT depends on what you are taking because it needs to clear your system for PCT to be effective. Testosterone ethanate for example takes 14-20 days to clear. So a Test-E cycle you would start 2 weeks after your last injection.
New2roidThanks alot that clears alot up
Anonclomid and nolva are called SERMs, selective estrogen receptor modulators. these compounds act at the receptor sites in different tissues and in different ways. clomid acts at the hypothalamus, and nolva works at the bone & breast tissues in men.
aromasin, arimidex, and letro are called AIs, aromatase inhibitors. aromatase is an enzyme whose sole function is to synthesize etrogen hormones via conversion of androgens. the greater the androgen level, the greater the enzyme level. this in turn increases the potential for excess estrogen. AIs act to inhibit the activity of the enzyme in a dose dependant manner.
proviron is a mild steroid, not an AI or SERM. although it does exhibit some anti-estrogen effects, it should not be viewed as an alternative.
here's some info on AIs:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/ai-as-needed-...
That's alright man it does get a little confusing. Hope this helps
Aromasin/Exemestane: Anti-estrogen used during cycle it lowers your blood levels of estrogen. You piss it out.
Arimidex: Binds to the estrogen so the estrogen won't work, and give you man tits or acne. But, once you stop taking it the estrogen becomes unbound and you estrogen blood levels spike. Which is why Aromasin is better; no estrogen spike.
Nolva/Tamoxifen: Used for 4 weeks for PCT. Taken everyday for four weeks lowering the dose after 2 weeks. 40mg/40mg/20mg/20mg. Usually combined with clomid. Nolva block the estrogen receptors to prevent gyno during PCT, because of estrogen rebound.
Clomid: Used in PCT for 4 weeks. Taken everyday lowering the dose after 2 weeks 100mg/100mg/50mg/50mg. It is combined with Nolva, but it works slightly different than Nolva. Research has shown statistically that it raises LH and FSH levels, but the mechanism in which it works in males remains just medically theoretical. The pituitary is a tricky thing. Basically it makes your balls come back.
Proviron: Is an anabolic steroid that has slightly anti-estrogenic properties, but on it's own is not a suitable substitute for any of the above.
Torem: A substitute for Nolvadex in PCT. Dosages vary, but it is taken everyday. Light cycle 60mg/60mg/30mg/30mg. Heavy cycles with tren and deca 90mg/60mg/60mg/30mg. Torem is supposedly much more appropriate for PCT especially if Nolva has unwanted side effects, but it is more expensive. Supposedly it helps improve testosterone production for PCT in addition to the qualities of Nolvadex.
HCG or human chorionic gonadotropin: It is an injectable used both on cycle and during PCT by some. Dosages vary much differently depending on application. It stimulates LH production rapidly. To return the testicles back to normal after cycle.
Caergoline: An anti prolactin often used like Aromasin to lower estrogen levels it instead lowers prolactin levels that spike when compounds such as Tren and deca are used.
Pregyl edit: I meant "Prami": Similiar to cabergoline it is another anti-prolactin it is cheaper, and some argue that it is safer.
Very good stuff Broc!
great information man, cleared some things up. thankyou!
New2roidWow thanks for clearing my head of confusion makes alot more sense now thank you! Im going to keep researching before i even consider cycling so i've got a long way to go
thankz again you saved me alot of frustration and time