+ 24 AI users (Arimidex) Not Enough Estrogen in Men is bad too........
I had posted on Itching and followed up by saying i figured it out it was from low estrogen and had kept on researching only to find more symptoms and even lifetime problems with low estrogen in men.
If your having weird symptoms and your on arimidex or an AI It could you could be taking too much as in my case. I took it for bloating and experienced side effects in only 3 days. Yes i was taking too much which i know now and want to make sure others do not make the same mistake i did. AI's can be very powerful very quickly for men as we get most our estrogen from the conversion of test, so if your taking an AI to block that conversion our Estradiol plumets and can also become way too low. Keep in mind levels of anything too far out of range can be problematic.
MY MAIN POINT IS I WANT IT LOW JUST NOT TOO LOW.
Through a few other articles and forums i have found that symptoms are,
- Night sweats
For me Personally....Insomnia, Very little libido, ITCHING and Major Pimples especially on my face and i never break out.
and you need estrogen, some, to also build muscle.
Main list from........ http://www.tandurust.com/endocrine-system/low-estrogen-side-effects.html
"Low estrogen side effects in men"
- Increased risk for fractures, most commonly hip fractures.
Body temperature changes.
Decreased sexual libido
Skin irritations
Vocal changes
Weight gain
Gonad size changes
Body odor changes
Another source showed that low estrogen can even cause adrenal glands to weaken and lowers serotonin in the brain!!
"http://voices.yahoo.com/the-dangers-low-estrogen-men-10578027.html"
Joint Cracking or Soreness
Lack of libido - but powerful erections in the case of sufficient DHT levels.
Heart pump changes, fluttering sensation due to lower blood pressure.
Skin changes; hyperpigmentation or pale-looking skin.
Hair follicle inflammation - excessive hair growth.
Fatigue and depression.
Anxiety / Obsessions
Blunted emotion.
Lack of trust for others; jealousy.
(Since estrogen helps increase serotonin in the brain, low levels cause may cause you to become impulsive, irritable, depressed or even manic
Low estrogen levels also can lead to the weakening of your adrenal glands, and this can even cause certain forms of depression.)
For those doing HRT for life extension...
Quotes are taken from the source....
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2010/may2010_Why-Estrogen-Balance-is-Crit...
"The dramatic increase in mortality in men with unbalanced estrogen (i.e., estradiol levels either too high or too low) is nothing short of astounding. It uncovers a gaping hole in conventional cardiology practice that is easily correctable."
Here is a list of some of the symptoms of high E2 (you don't have to
experience all of the symptoms to know that you have high E2):
* Depression
* Trouble reaching an orgasm
* No erections while sleeping (i.e. "night wood" or "morning wood")
* Anxiety
* Panic Attacks
* Prostate problems
* Gynecomastia
* Water Retention
* Dizziness/Vertigo
* Increased Blood Pressure
* Decreased Libido
* ED
* When penis is limp, it doesn't hang low (it seems to try to crawl back up)
* Asthma like issues (due to increased water retention around the lungs)
* Trouble sleeping at night - waking up multiple times per night
* Lack of Libido
* Crying while watching TV shows/movies
* Easier to get angry (think PMS)
* Insulin Resistance (getting tired after eating a meal - if left untreated, it can lead to Type II Diabetes)
* Larger stomach
* Redness on the face and/or chest
* Feeling hotter than everybody else
* Thinner skin/bleeding easier
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cdaddy7Thas wassup!!! My same experience almost exactly and yes everyone respond differently
this is why research is important, this is a great read and if I could give you +1 I would.. I do have a question, why would you not use something like masteron to help with the levels. for me adding masteron to my mix helped with just about everything, bloating, water retention, less backne, libido great, seemed to help for me to add to what I was running.. something to look into... boy you are the reason why I read these forums..
thanks again
I can recommend a reputable pharmacy (Arimidex) - 7-rx.com I received the order and it was on time and the pills work great.
i have tried buying on 7-rx they are cheap. All the medicines on this online pharmacy are delivered via either EMS Courier Delivery or Airmail base on what i read on http://www.rxlogs.net/7-rx-com-review-affordable-online-drug-store/
thanks john, but im all good and you should watch there is not promotion in forums.. its in the rules you might want to edit before the mods get to you!!
This will be my first experience with aas. I have been researching here and many other places and this topic seems to be my hold up. Almost a damed if I do damed if I dont situation. Do I take the arimidex and hope I dont go to low and adjust based on symptoms or start out not taking and see if I go to high then take remedy with arimidex from there. Evrybodies body is different and have no idea how mine will react. In doing research here are a couple of articles I ran accross.
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Do_Men_Need_Estrogen.aspx
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2010/may2010_Why-Estrogen-Balance-is-Crit...
From my reading seems that the effects of low are far worse than that of high.
Forgot to add the endgame question. Is it better to adjust from low to high or high to low?
zewiArimidex .25mg e3d to keep bloating down and estrogen in check go to .5mg e3d if nipples become sensitive, or .5mg ed. is how i roll
.5mg e4/5d is my sweet spot. .25 eod kills my sex drive. I know everyone is different, this is just how I run it successfully. Mon and Friday. To be honest I am a little up on BF and can't really imagine running a cycle or pct without adex, love it.
PARAD0XAdex is not good for pct, use taximofen and aromasin instead..
Good catch broski, elaberation on this, I don't recommend it for pct either, but on occasion gyno can spur on, during and after pct, it is very common. If I am on pct and I get lumpy, I will pop a pill for a few days. Hell sometimes if I am dragging ass after pct I will pop one as well, they are proven to give you a boost of t.
mr127superdeei gotta try that .6 in two days fucked me i cant sleep or get my dick hard
PARAD0XReally.. I know guys taking 2mg ed and using 1mg ed myself for months without having erection problems.
Cycle I'm on just started giving me some backne, took 1mg of Arimidex last week, then .50mg eod and so far no bad sides and acne has came to a screeching halt. +1 from me bro.
Good stuff. Used gear for 4+ yrs, never fully understood the anti-E stuff until now.
tread-mNice post..yes, I began reading about these estradial levels a while back and it is thought that most men die with high estrogen levels and rather than it being a bi-product of some other cause, it may actually be the cause of the disease they died with or just overall depriciation. I didn't see much at the time about low estrogen being an issue although I'm sure that occurs. Another very negative effect I think you may have missed above is extreme joint depriciation as estrogen is resposible for the lubrication of joints. It is also why certain cycles are so much harder on joints than others. A dead estrogen level is something only competitors look to pre-comp but for the rest of us it should be kept in the sweet spot range. Yes, estrogen will drop quick "for some people" but it can also rise very quickly in people with high bf. Others will have a very difficult time dropping estrogen so learning our own reactions and signs of sweet spots through testing and how we feel is important.
Kind of off topic to a degree, but I read some studies about heart disease years ago kind of in line with the previous unknown. It was believed for a while as science progressed that as much as 75% of all heart disease stemed from a strep of some sort such as strepl throat in ones life. Even though you get over strep they foujnd it could somehow attatch and live in your heart arteries for the remainder of your life. This strep was rough enough that plaque could attatch to it and eventually clog your arteries.
As time went on and the technology got better they moved the belief to closer to 90% of those with heart disease had strep at one point in their life and said " we are beginning to believe that the possibility that nearly all people who die with heart disease had strep living in their heart arteries." When the researchers use high tech equipment in a heart diseased persons autopsy is is there virtually every time under the plaque. There is only one known antibiotic (At the time I researched all of this) that will kill strep in the heart arteries and it is one that is based in erythromycin . I try to use it every few years just in case! Lol
i dont understand what i can do, when i take juice, i run .25mcg of arimidex eod, but my nipples are a little puffy, i then take just a tad bit of nolvadex and my nipples get back to rock hard, i know nolvadex works in your nipples on the e2 receptor sites, and thus makes my nipples smaller and hard again, but i wanna do trt and just run 250mg of test cype, and .25mcg every 3 days, if i do this my nipples will be slightly puffy, and yes i could take nolvadex to fix it but can i take small amount of nolvadex for ever? if not what can i use to work on my nipples e2 sites in small doses year round? if i run my arimidex every two day to try an combat my slighty puffy nipples, then my e2 will be too low. so idk what the hell to do.
just curious, but do you mean mg instead of mcg? i'd have a tough time measuring out 25 micrograms of arimidex! Also, when you say a tad bit of nolvadex to take the puffiness out of your nipples, how much are you taking? i've got plenty of nolva and clomid on hand for PCT, but i'm a noob and of course extremely worried about gyno. How quick (and after how much) does nolva work when you take it during cycle? and if you take it during cycle do you need to continue taking it until and through PCT? Thanks bro.
Use a AI on cycle (adex) i would say 0.25 every 3 days your tablets will be 1 mg so snap it into 4 bits and 1 of them 4 bits will be 0.25 mcg.dnt use nolva on cycle leave it for pct nolva 40/40/20/20 clomid 50/50/50/50 some puffiness cnt be helped when on test it happens to me but its never gyno if you use your AI ryt and do propa pct then gyno should not be a problem unless your realy prone to it or your AI is bunk.
also how do you know the dex your running is legit, just something to think about. I got to the point i tried 1mg ed for 3 days straight thats where i was running into problems.
Well .25 was the dose suggested to me, it may not be for you. How do you know that .5 eod wont work or will be too much?
added you as a friend Bmon1 please accept i have a cpl questions for you...
It's guys like you that make this forum valuable. Thanks for posting this.
Thanks for posting AND listing data sources. Good experience to tell everyone that you can get too much of a good thing with AIs. It is still a chemical balancing act!
Edit: Scrolled down after reading.
Good post I had night sweats while on last cycle and never even thought to look into low estrogen
mazarSome great points there bro esp the night sweating is a tell tell sign of low e2. +1
Very interesting reading thanks for the post +1 brother
Research and posting on a saturday night/sunday morning is when you know you love this.....some say a little too much
Just an update to my original post, since im on test too.....i stopped arimidex for 2 days and WOW. I still cant sleep, i guess because of the hgh but itching has completely stopped. Slowed after a day or so. Acne clearing up fast and<strong> as for libido THROUGH THE ROOF AGAIN</strong>. This is a tell tale sign your getting your levels back to normal range, lala had a lot of sex lets just say that . Ill go back on MINOR doses as in .25mcg like i was told to do eod when on test, tomorrow or day 4. 400mg test E/week only to help balance hpta axis from the hgh. Im finally back to normal. Looks like the actual effects, for me anyway, for taking .25 eod (like i was supposed to do) for 6 days then 1mg 3 days in a row killing my estrogen, has finally balanced after about 2 days. Gonna wait 3 just in case.
Was just curious if you have had further discoveries over the last 8 months ?
I too believe I have been overdoing the Arimidex ( .5mg ed (Medistar- good stuff) ) as I am on TRT- permanent use of variants of T @ avg 500mg/ week (+/ - by energy levels).
The night sweats of recent have been horrendous, body heat, bouts of slight diziness and even cognitive impairment - at 47 thought it might be andropausal despite best efforts and a litany of wellness supps. . .but the lack of hardness around the nipples spurs one to try more - wrong :(
I do have Nolva I may try for a while then and give break from Arimidex.
My appreciation for your excellent post . .looking forward to feedback
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cdaddy7The right person to answer your question is Guru tread-m. Send him a pm request. He does a lot of research and extremely knowledgeable on TRT issues and those related