posted Thu, 05/03/2012 - 09:34
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Whats the best athletic cycle?
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I will be starting my first cycle in less than a month and wanted advice on a great beginner cycle
28 years old
6'3
206
13% bf
I looking to add about 10-15 lbs of lean muscle while getting ripping in the process
I run track and train 5-6 day a week and want to be safe as possible
Does anyone have any advice for a cycle/stack that could add lean muscle, and power?
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Can someone copy and paste my first cycle plan, and or delete from it. I just want to be sure and safe as I possibly can. I have been reading and researching for about a year and I fell I have so much to learn. Its great to have experienced folks lending a helping hand.
Anontest e or test c.. 12 weeks. the best thing you can do..
jasonhrun that cyp for 12 weeks ( youll end up doing it anyway so just plan and gear up for a 12 weeker)
As daddyd said. Test only bro for the first cycle is the way to go bro. If you stack other compounds and get sides. You wont know what compound you're getting it from. Just do your research bro. But keep it simple first time around.
Thanks so much! What do you think about this as a first cycle
Wk 1-10 Test Cypionate 400mg each week
Wk 1-15 Nolvadex 20m each day
Wk 12-15 Clomid
*That is 14 days after last shot.
will i have to worry about gyno?
Anonarimidex 0.5mg EOD
Don't run nolva during cycle lol.
PCT 4 weeks - nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 100/100/50/50
HCG in my opinion should be ran in all cycles even a test only, but if you don't run it you'll be fine.... but why not prevent testicular shrinkage if you can right?
250iu 2x a week throughout cycle, 500iu 2x a week last 2 weeks leading up to PCT
AnonI disagree. the potential to abuse HCG and create issues that you cannot fix is greater and "just cuz you don't want your balls to shrink" is a terrible reason to use it. It is not medically necessary to use it and therefore unnecessary.
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I'm interested in your different take on this. It's commonly accepted now that hcg is instrumental in providing a fast recovery (It's the suppressed testes that hold back recovery we know now, not LH or FSH both of which rapidly return), and I'd go as far as saying it's a necessity when running 19-nor compounds, but I would like to hear your take on the matter.
I do agree that many people too readily use hcg far too often, without appreciation for the damage it could do. So could you please expand on why and in what situations you think it's unnecessary
I a bit confused lol....can you help me with a pct
AnonWhat I posted is by and large accepted as a proper PCT protocol you have absolutely NO worries going with exactly what I said to do... if you're really that worried about HCG only run it for the last 5-6 weeks of your cycle then there's no possible way anyone can doubt anything.
The problem grrrl has with HCG, presumably, is like I said in my other post the hypothetical desensitization of the testes to LH/FSH, but the thing is there is NO hard evidence to back this up and I personally know of no one who has even claimed to experience this. Although in theory, if this were to occur, it would be a serious problem without a doubt. If there is somewhere grrrl could point me to find see some evidence of this actually occurring I'd really like to know about it!
Basically, this is a discussion beyond what you should be worried about and is likely just confusing you unnecessarily
arimidex will prevent gyno unless you're freakishly prone to it which I doubt, and clomid/nolva PCT will restore your natural LH/FSH levels which is turn will restore your natural test levels. HCG is essentially used to make the PCT more effective as your gonads will not be in atrophy, and therefore will be more "receptive" to the LH surge and make the jump from on to off cycle that much smoother.
AnonAs someone that has testicles... that shrink.... and isn't above 35 or on TRT so obviously cares about natural test ( HCG seems to aid in PCT recovery - bro science though ).... I'd say it's a pretty DAMN good reason to use it, I didn't use it last cycle and it seems I may have lost some size permanently, although it isn't much it still bothers me... natural test is not lower however. I just started using it this cycle and therefore cannot comment at this point in time how effective it is obviously. I welcome your opinion and appreciate it, but don't talk down to me like I'm an idiot I HATE that ( but I love you so don't hammer me). HCG may be one of the things I'm not extremely educated on but I'm more than educated in endocrinology and fully understand the mechanisms of action involved here, far beyond the simple HPTA/ LH + FHS/ TEST knowledge users are generally aware of. I understand the HYPOTHETICAL potential for desensitization to LH and FSH but there is no hard evidence to back that up and I personally know of no one who has claimed to experience this either, then again I do not know as many experienced users as you as I'm new to this online business, if you know of someone who has experienced this please let me know as I would not like to run into the same issue. In fact during my initial research I was scared of this, which is why I'm just starting HCG on week 5 of my current cycle ( it's a short cycle ). Tread is beyond experienced and recommends almost exactly what I just recommended and even for use longer than what this cycle would call for.... Specifically it was 17 weeks of being on HCG ( for a suppressive cycle ). If he had posted exactly what I just did you wouldn't have said a word.....
No disrespect grrrl, I think you're very intelligent but I don't know why you're slamming me here for information a GURU posted practically verbatim just the other day.
AnonI wasn't talking DOWN to you (quit reading into things). AND I quite HAPPILY disagree with Tread and I still disagree and will say AGAIN it is not medically necessary to run HCG.
I fail to see how I am slamming you by saying I disagree..I'm sorry I wasn't here that day to say I disagree with Tread, excuse me for not having the leisure time to come in here and say so ;-)
jasonhshouldnt but you can take adex .5 eod if ya want to be careful
Thanks so much! What do you think about this as a first cycle
Wk 1-10 Test Cypionate 400mg each week
Wk 1-15 Nolvadex 20m each day
Wk 12-15 Clomid
*That is 14 days after last shot.
will i have to worry about gyno?
Anonyou will worry about gyno if you are predisposed to depositing fatty tissue in your chest or you begin to experience symptoms. it may not be necessary for you to run the nolva during your cycle. It is most often used during pct in conjunction with clomid.
Will clomid be necessary to use?
BostonVar only stacked with winny and some cheetos bro. All jokes aside, most go with test only for round 1. Do some research and build your knoweledge right here at eroids.
Thanks bro!
Wk 1-10 Test Cypionate 400mg each week
Wk 1-15 Nolvadex 20m each day
Wk 12-15 Clomid
*That is 14 days after last shot.
Thanks bro!
Wk 1-10 Test Cypionate 400mg each week
Wk 1-15 Nolvadex 20m each day
Wk 12-15 Clomid
*That is 14 days after last shot.