What should someone expect from these compounds?
Hey guys i wasnt sure whether to post this on the cycles section or this one, i went for this one.
As we all know at this point that diet is everything. In my opinion the ratio is somewhat like this, diet 70% trainning 20% and gear 10%. I believe that the diet will allow you to control what direction you want to take your body, the more percise you are the closer you are toward your goal. The trainning style and intensity will add to the speed at which you get there,the consistency of your muscles, and adds to the look over time. The compounds/gear just adds gasoline to the fire, it exaggerates your overall physique through strength,nutrition delivery, and overall physiologically.
So we have a control
Lets say one is 30yrs old -/+, 15%bf, and has had 2-3 basic cycles under their belt. Diet generally speaking would be around 2000-3000cal high protein,med fat, and low carb. Looking for overall recomp.
From everyones experience, what would one expect to feel and see from the combinations of these cycles during and ultimately end
TestC 300 12wks
Tbol 50mg 8wks
TestC300 12wks
Anavar 50mg 8wks
TestC300 12wk
Npp 300 1-8
Tbol 50mg 6-14
TestC300 15wks
Eq 500 14wks
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With or without Anavar 50mg 8wks
Maybe its alot one post, but looking to see input from experienced guys. What to expect to feel during cycle and look during. Thank you, hope this is a good one for others looking for experiences.
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If you’re 15% bf you need to be on a serious diet until you reach low singles. Any of the cycles will work fine. The reason most guys never see true potential is because they won’t man up and diet down. They just perma bulk forever. Look at any IFBB pro any division they make progress every year for one simple reason .. diet .. grow after the show.
I agree with you the lower the body fat I start with the better off you'll look during your cycle and after of course.
So your time is everyone on this entire site has waited to be at least 9% bodyfat before running a cycle?
of course not. It’s up to you if you wanna do it the correct way
Nope!
15% is fine for most steroid cycles
15% is only fine if you’re going on a serious cut. Try bulking from there you’re gonna look like shit real fast
Nope, wrong.
15% is fine if you:
CGAF about a serious cut
Dont want to be shredded
Cannot get shredded (adipose tissue/lipomas as opposed to bodyfat, etc.)
Are an average gymrat or powerlifter or.... whatever.... with subjective goals that do not involve or need acut below 15%
Have no intention of using... for whatever reason... compounds that require <10% to reap benefits based (winny etc.)
Are using said compounds such as Winny but for dofferent readons unrelated to being lean such as DHT balance
Are capable of cyclical bulking
Are capable of bulking using compounds that have lipolytic effects, such as tren or HGH for example, which will in fact result in fatloss during the bulk
The list is endless.
You could not tell a Sumo wrestler who is planning his off season bulk to cut to sub 10% before he starts now could you?
You need to think from perspectives other than your own and if you still don't feel comfortable saying; yeah well 15% is fine, then ask OP more questions like; are you a sumo wrestler?.........
Nope. Wrong.
OP already said he wants to recomp which means lose fat/gain muscle and overall look better. Can’t do that bulking from 15%. Nice try though
Anyway don’t wanna prolong this out when his situation is very cut and dry. Have a good one
Now youre just displaying your ignorance. -1 for being ignorant.
Here is a start for you... AAS = build/retain muscle and with some compounds burn fat
rHGH - can be used for lipolysis
Body recomp... burn fat build muscle....
Do the maths
Go educate yourself.
RustyhookerEnhansed is yoked and solid cut. Its easier to bulk from a lean cut. Less estro worries and not going into 20%bf.
I bet he is a beast. Id well believe it and if we are talking about it being best to kick off from as low a base as possible i agree 110%, no doubt
But at the same time to say you gotta be at 9% to start building... well its just 1 option isnt it
Average joe looking to recomp... 15% is fine, particularly if using compounds to support it
Now if you want to talk about whether OP is advanced enough to run xyz etc... different convo i suppose
More than 1 way to skin a cat really and not everyone needs/wantd to be 6%bf
RustyhookerVery true!!! The goal helps dictate everything. Im definitly not a lean dude so i gotta listen to body more.
Ok, when you were in your teens or going through puberty, did you feel the test in your system? I sure didnt, except hair growth and constant boners and my voice change. From what I am reading from your posts below you are looking for a drug that will lean you out but not too lean, bulk you but not too bulky, and give you a dry look like tight skin so your muscles look full. There is only 2 things that can do that
Training
Diet.
If you want to be vascular you train to be vascular, want to be lean you train to be lean. Big train to be big. Of course with those you need diet too. The drugs you take along with those goals will HELP not do all the work for you. Testosterone is not a fkn drug that people make it out to be. Its not like weed, booze, or coke where the drug hits you within minutes. Test is a recovery and male characteristic drug that does more work when you rest. If you are already lean then tbol and anavar will help you shine along with your diet and training. If you are 15%bf and above no oral will do shit for you in my opinion unless you are going into a defecit and need to save muscle while you drop fat and calories. Dbol is great for a bulk because you get big fast and eat like a pig. You may lose quite a bit afterwards but if you followed the bulk and training properly you will gain.
Do a cycle amd compounds for your goals and where you are at now,, not a cycle and compounds for where you want to be because you will fail.
You took the words right out of my mouth haha
Rustyhooker^^^^^^boom. Pick a path. Folks keep posting things like wanna be 220 hard cut....so them BULK til 245. Bulk only. Or waste time.
I understand, but theres also certain drugs that give certain effects. Sometimes you look for these certain effects while youre cutting down or bulking up.
But of course i agree with him, drugs arent going to magically recomp your body.
For example you say you will take about 2-3k calories a day, to me without any other stats besides a +- 15%bf you are better off with a mild cycle of just test. Test alone ALSO helps you keep muscle in a calorie deficit so there is no need for an oral. 4-500 a week will assist you in losing very little if any muscle during your rebuild.
Honestly after 4 cycles do you know what your ultimate goal is? Is it to be under 10%bf and maybe compete? Is it just to look good? Is it to be strong?
Thats what you need to work on. There are a lot of people here that take advanced pro cycles just so they can look good in a banana hammock and will never compete.. Or some that are on cycle number 10 and still look like they just picked up their 1st 45 pound barbell. Or some that focus on diet and training and use aas last and their muscle is earned.
You can tell when you earned muscle when after your cycle is done it stays with you instead of pissed out.
Figure out what you are doing and why you are doing it. Maintaining muscle is a life long effort so make sure whatever you plan will fit into your life goals.
RustyhookerThats why we usually see 1 posted cycle and ask goals and priors. Its easy to overthink. Folks get screwed faking stats and priors....cant save em all.
Interesting, I like that line do a cycle for where you are now not where you want to be. For where I am now I think the smarter idea will be test 300 and tbol50. Below he States T ball and anavar are totally different, I know they're different but I'm intrested to see how different they are. On a calorie deficit test 300 with an oral should be more than enough in my opinion. Then my following cycle I'll add NPP or EQ to the next. That sounds more appropriate in my opinion, thank you.
No this is not my 1st cycle this will be my 4th 5th cycle personally but I haven't cycled in a couple years. I've been on a cruise 3 weeks trying to Get my body little more pumped up anabolic welling and calorie deficient Tama increasing the cardio every day And over all just an edge while I decide what cycle I'm really going for .For some reason when I hear people describe the things they experience during a cycle or what to expect, for some reason I feel like I can and vision it myself because I've run cycles myself and when someone describes what to expect you feel like you know what to look for From their experiences I'm looking for something day can give me the opportunity input on at least 10 pounds if I wanted to during the psycho well allowing me to keep to myself while I trim down . The strength and the pump would also be a great addition. I'm stuck between ever and T ball and I'm also stuck between NPP and EQ. I'm gonna be running test 300 with something or one of each but I'm not sure yet
No it's not my 1st cycle. Basically what I'm trying to do is figure out what my next cycle should be. I'm looking to build a little muscle 5 to 10 pounds well retaining muscle while I cut down from the middle of the cycle to the end of the cycle. So I'm stuck between I 300 mg of test and like an anavar or if I should just go with test NPP and T ball and really go for it
Tbol is one of the better or best orals for actually putting on clean/keepable muscle. As much fun as dbol is I've never seen anyone keep 50% of the Gail's from it.
NPP vs EQ is really not two compounds that can be compared together because they are really nothing alike. EQ gives me nice strength, size and appetite. But that needs to be done over the course of 16 to 20 weeks. NPP can do the same thing in 10-12. But it comes with prolactin issues and EQ does not. So really it's a personally preference....
Also donate blood on eq
Whats your thoughts on tbol vs anavar
The two don't compare. Completely different
Really, Of course I know they have their differences but it will you make it seem is as if they are completely different categories. I'm intrested to see what you have to say back to 2 if you don't mind
For a leaner look, less water retention, better overall look, which would you go for? Test,tbol, eq or npp?
Plus im trying to avoid hairloss sides as much as possble. Id love to do primobolan 16 weeks but i hear horry hairline stories
NPP or EQ can give you a dryer/clean look if run correctly at the right dosages. Your diet is mostly going to give you the effect that you want. Either one of those can be used as more of a wet/bulking compound but they do not have to be that way.
Of course I'm on you with that 1 comment definitely. But I'm wondering which one lean towards giving you a dryer look you know what I mean
A full but dry look at the same time it doesn't have to be grainy but nice thin skin for muscles and some nice strength
I like to think it's 100 % diet / 100% training / 100% gear.
Everything needs to be on point.
To answer your rather open question 'you' could expect to feel anything depending on the person, your oestrogen levels, how a compound effects you and what else is going on in your life dictate how you you will feel on a compound. Years ago I've ran a test only cycle before and my sex drive was 0 due to a break up with a woman and the shit storm it that comes afterwards.
Results, as you stated it depends on your diet and genetics so in other words your answers your own question there.
If it’s your first cycle just run test. 500 mgs with 50 mgs of proviron, Save the other compounds until you need them.