posted Thu, 11/28/2013 - 07:59
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Test Prop, Test E and Deca cycle
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Whats up guys, I am completely new to this site and is my first ever registration for anything like this.
This is the cycle I will be running, any advice/feedback is welcome 
12 week cycle:
Weeks 1-4 - 150mg Test Prop EOD - Kickstarter
Weeks 1-4 - 125mg Test E 2xWeek
Weeks 5-12 - 250mg Test E 2xWeek
Weeks 1-12 - 250mg Deca 2xWeek
I have been training very well for 7 years, these are my stats:
Age: 22
Weight: 100kg
Bf: 15%
Squat: 220kg for 5 reps
Bench: 130kg 1RM
Dead: 220kg for 5 reps
Looking to put a fair bit of size on and looking forward to it!
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How come a few people are saying its too much? What will adding Deca do in a negative way? I have got a few friends on it and they seem to love it. If used properly the side effects can be minimal.
It is tempting just to do the one compound at a time, but I have it all ready and good to go. First cycle or not, what difference does it make if its my second cycle or not? My body is very tolerant to everything and I have hit a huge wall in training lately. Not got stronger for a long time and its pissing me off.
Have pramipexol or cabergolin on hand first. Learn what they are and how to taper up with them or you'll regret overdosing it. You'll need more test than deca and you'll have to drop the deca 2-3 week before your cycle ends while continuing on the test. Deca takes 3 weeks to even kick in and three weeks to leave your body. If your diet isn't right the deca won't make the slightest difference and you'll have all the side for nothing. That why these guys are mainly steering you way from it. Maybe try equipoise instead.
Nandrolone causes excess prolactin. Excess prolactin causes lethargy, dead dk (deca dk), and gyno. It's something that Arimdex and all the nolvadex and clomid in the world could fix. Some people are extremely sensitive to progesterones. If you are prone, you'll have to wait 3-4 weeks for it to clear.
Prolactin does not cause Gyno, but it may induce lactation. Which goes away on its own for most people. Elevated prolactin levels are not something to be overly concerned with. Elevated progesterone levels on the other hand should be of major concern and will cause a lot of the negative sides associated with 19-nor compounds, like gyno.
But on mild dosages, like the ones OP is describing the management of your E2 with an AI, is all that is really needed in the majority of cases. Remember, prolactin and progesterone follow elevated E2.
GearofWarYou should be concerned with Prolactin if you ever want to have a proper sex drive.
You are absolutely correct it can affect your libido. I was trying to drive the point towards Gyno. Thanks for pointing that out.
Prolactin gyno is a different form of gyno. Just always keep the test a lot higher at all times. Cabergoline or pramipexol are you prolactin inhibitors to have one on hand. You should be fine then. If you do it right, you can gain 20lbs. You won't notice any gains from the deca for 3 weeks. The first time I ran deca it was at 250mgs a week with 400mgs of test. I gained 20lbs off that small of a dose. No side effects. More doesn't mean better as long as your eating right. No reason to get mad. I'm helping you out
I don't recall getting mad. So I am sorry if you got the impression somehow. Prolactin will cause your nipples to get puffy and may induce lactation , but it will not cause a hard lump (which is gyno). That will come from progesterone.
You lost me with the deca and the test comments as I made no mention of those in the context that you are referring to.
Deca is not mild, far from it. It can take 6-9 months for some to bounce back from a deca cycle.
How do you know your body is very tolerant to everything? You've not ran a cycle before. Assumption?
We advise one compound at a time do you learn how you react to each of them. I don't get on with certain steroids, if I put two new compounds together straight off the bat, how would I know what was causing me an issue?
You're a young guy, stop trying to rush it. You think you can't make great gains off test alone?
What is your cycle history? If this is your first cycle, it is recommended that you use only Test since you can judge how your body reacts to it. If you take too many supplements and something goes wrong or you get bad sides, there is no way to tell what caused the problem.
Way too much for a first cycle. I don't like advising guys your age on cycles to be honest, but if you are going to do it, one compound at a time.
Your really gonna want more test than deca when you drop the prop in week 4 or you'll be completely shut down. And I'd also drop the deca on week 12 and countinue the test e to week 14. And you'll need post cycle therapy with those doses for that amount of time. Test e at 300+ and deca at 250mgs is a good slow and steady cycle with very little rebound effects. hcg and nolvadex would be the ideal pct. Do you know if your sensitive to progesterones?
At 22 your natty test should still be rockin. Don't kill it by supplementing. Get bloods done to check where your at! You don't want to shut down your system that is making a gram plus of test a month just to put in 2 grams. Let me ask you this, are you still getting stronger. If so why do anything. If you've hit a wall and haven't seen any progress in a while and have exhausted all training possibilities and gotten bloods done to see where your at then I would do a test only cycle first, save the deca for down the road.
Oh and I am not simply doing this to get large and be a knob. I play a high level of sport and looking to progress and to do so I need to gain at least 20lbs and also want to compete in bodybuilding eventually.
I understand brother! Running a steroid cycle is a bit like fucking a chick, on your first run you want to keep things simple, if you over complicate it you risk ruining something which should be a beautiful thing! I would throw the deca under the bed, run a test only cycle and see how you react to it. 500 per week for 10 to 12 weeks with ai ran along side and a solid pct on place you'll look like a beast and not screw yourself up.
Do not underestimate the test only cycles! Honestly I still speak to 17 stone units who still go back to the simple 500 per week
Anti E i have on hand, Pct will be the usual nolva and chlomid, it is a while away so not worrying about it too much yet and as for caber I will look into buying some. I have Deca which is 275mg for 1ml, maybe do 0.5ml twice a week?
Thanks man, Ill look into the caber. I know I am young for it, but to be honest, I am way bigger and stronger than anyone I know on steroids so I think I need a good cycle. It is my first cycle. This is not set in stone as I have not started it yet, however I have everything and was going to pin tomorrow.
Too much deca. 500mg a week is a lot for your first cycle and your test is at 500mg a week too, Going to gave some serious deca dick running it at a 1:1 ratio. Also no caber? Anti E? PCT?
How many cycles have you ran before this? A nor19 steroid is pretty serious business at your age mate! Have you thought about EQ? Run the test e at 500 per week all the way through, this will mean it builds up and by week 4 you'll be feeing it rather then waiting a further 3-4 more weeks for blood levels to stabilize.
If you do choose to run deca which 90% of the fellas here will advise against look into caber or prami.
NotNatural23I am not an expert but I know the guys here that know there shit r gonna need more info such as pct diet. But if u r doing DECA u need proly 12 weeks or more. If I were u I would be more detailed with it and you are only 22 and most will say u r to young and I agree but it's your body and u r gonna do what u want.
Hye man, I just changed it so it looks more readable, it changed layout upon submitting it for some reason.
Dude, my diet is spot on. I know what im doing on the diet side of things, its just a bit of advice on the cycle. My pct will be the standard Nova and chlomid