posted Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:28
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Test prop kicker vs up the dosage
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HI YALL! This is going to be my second cycle. It shall consist of just sustanon alone , but what i was told is that sus only has a miniscule amout of prop in it so would it be alright if i added some test prop for the first 3 weeks or should i just ramp up the dosage of the sus? and if i should use test prop as a kicker can i mix it in the same syringe as the sus? i was told you cant mix oil with water based gear but i would hate to have to take 2 seperate injections on the same day. i am a newb so MENTOR ME OH GREAT ONES!!
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UPnSMOKESo based on the limited info you have provided and limited knowledge of gear and compounds and esters n half lives of those esters. I have to recommend you stay away from sust altogether. It's an advanced for of test with multiple esters. To much fluctuation will screw your levels up. Could cause some sides that wouldn't happen per say with a single ester test. So if your running it just because you have it on hand that's a bad reason to use it.
What was your first cycle?
Single ester test and maybe prop if you want to get to know how effective prop can be. In my experience nothing has ever made my feel so amazing than prop. Quick strong and it seperation te men from the boys. Can be run daily or every other day. Sust is a tricky form of test. Most people who have a few years of AAS use don't run it correctly. They want to maximize the short ester which is the smallest amount of mg in the sust altogether. The meat and potatoes is the isocaproate and decoanate which doesn't need to be ran eod. 30mg of prop does absolutely nothing. It's like getting excited cuz a chick will let u run the tip of your pecker on her gash. The isocaproate and decoanate is the esters that will push up ur test levels the most and they're the chick who lets you go balls deep. Eod for sust is not worth it. If you were to run those long esters solo you would never run them eod. In my experience which I have about 4 cycles with sust in them I did good on every 5 days. I did my best on 750mg and up every seven days. You see its designed for a long release TRT testosterone. The esters work specifically to produce a domino or a tapering up effect. Some big dogs might disagree but I'm speaking about my personal experience here not theirs.
Sound complicated? Ya well it should cuz its not for inexperienced users.
Single long ester test and maybe prop kicker. That's a reasonable second cycle. Keep things simple dude. Also make sure you have a solid approved PCT from a big dog around here. Since you are young you need a good pct. get your AI on hand and only use if you get sides or even better after wk 5-6 get bloods taken and make sure you get your estrogen/estradiol checked. If you are elevated you won't need to guess or go on sides. Be smart be safe be reasonable and you could do this thing for the next thirty years. Longevity is the goal.
UPnSMOKEYour second cycle and you are only 177lbs?
Why you are getting cycle advice before questions about your diet I don't get it. Am I missing something here?
Body type? Training history and current program? Diet?
Steroids are not some easy fix with no reprecussions that we should be throwing cycle advice around to any tom dick or harry. If you can't gain weight without steroids what makes anyone think you can keep your gains once you come off cycle?
Why are you guys throwing cycle advice to a guy who obviously doesn't know much about gear and diet?
Lol bro that was before i cycled im 185 now and im about 10-single digits body fat . How can you say i dont know much about diet and gaining weight from just my previous stats ,true i dont know much about steroids but thats why i am here. no need to get all hostile man . you need to calm down and smoke a blunt just like your user name states
UPnSMOKEFirst dont be so sensitive please.
Secondly, maybe this info could be in your post? I saw this background info nowhere in what you wrote above. This is exactly what info should always be made public before anyone can give you proper advice. The right advice comes only by knowing every detail about a persons stats, history, diet, training, goals. Any advice given without knowing all those details is just a guess.
I'm sure the big dogs of this site would ask you the exact same details as I did. At least they should be. Wouldn't you expect to be asked a ton of proper questions if you were asking a doctor or a nurse to fix your ailments? Same here bud, this is your health on the line. AAS is a medication not some pre workout drink.
I have to agree with the newb.
Anonwhich one are you referring to? upnsmoke, or the op?
x2. Second thread where he has it spot on.
Anonyou're in the right place, brother. don't sweat the petty things. several of us will do our best to either answer your questions or point you where you need to be to get the right answer.
UPnSMOKEhttp://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/giving-advice-in-forums
This sticky is perfect! Read #1, the admin of this site doesn't think its petty. I'm just following the rules in this sticky. Im not being petty whatsoever.
AnonFirst off: that's not a rule. That's a thread created by hwboy, who is well respected but not even a mod.
Secondly, you're blasting a dude that's asking for help bc you're trying to prove yourself or something?
We want ppl to be receptive, not put them in a defensive state. So get it together.
UPnSMOKEMaybe admin should take that thread down. As a new users we are asked to read the rules and I assumed the stickies were vital information the entire membership was supposed to read. That extremely confusing for a new member. So I take it you don't agree with getting all the details necessary to give informed and comprehensive advice?
its just that you kinda blasted the guy thats all
UPnSMOKEMy apologies to anyone who I offended I'm not used to speaking so politically correct.
I stand behind what i said but i will work on my ettiquette.
Was anything I stated untrue or not correct?
Not having all the details is like blindfolding a blind man and putting him a blacked out room and asking him what color the carpet is.
Anonno, i agree with them. what i was meaning is that it's not what you say but how you say it. just a flat out: stats or no help may put the OP on the defensive. personally, i'd like to see them open up to us. and, regardless of his weight, i'm not gonna criticise him based on that. i already know how old he is, and i already know he's used gear before. chances are, if i tell him he's too young and should stop using gear, he is not gonna listen. so, i'd rather see him make the best decisions all things considered.
as for the stickies, those are deemed appropriate information by admin. hwboy is a great asset here, but he is not part of the admin team. no worries brother..
AnonI like sust.. You're right: in sust 250, there is only 30mg of prop which is not much. But the second shortest ester is phenyl prop, which has a half life of approx 4 days, and there is 60mg of that. You can pin sust e3.5d and still have a decent flow for the most part. Really no need to kick, but it's up to you. I'd def taper with prop for 3 weeks after you stop the sust (100mg EOD)
AnonX2 I would also taper, not kick though.... I just hate having to wait the 2 to 3 weeks for the PCT, if its your first run at sust then I would def hold off on the kick star with prop and save it till the end
Sustanon is not water based either is prop
AnonI didn't even catch that part the first time I read... Lol.
Adding to this:
You can mix water with oil based gear, bro. In fact, it may even help reduce the pip a lil. I used to pin aqueous suspension in the same barrel as prop, sust, or Enan. Otherwise, it crippled me. Water and I do not get along.
ok thanks for the advice my man . learning new things ERRDAY
prop kicker is fine I wouldn't up the sustanon dose