Shredding Cycle/ Pre contest cycle ideas?
Alright guys so I've been reading a lot of the forums on here for ideas, as well as hearing from the gym. I know there are a lot of dumbasses in the gym which will recommend anything for a starting cycle. I Look up to a lot of the older/experienced bodybuilders in the gym and lately have been talking to them about a first cycle. I've pretty much heard it all, my goal is to be as lean as possible. I've been told to do a var/clen cycle (orals only though...cmon and this from a 50 year old Masters winner) but from what I've heard from reading the forums it seems a test E only cycle would be the best idea. I'll probably get some chirps but I'm only trying to get some advice here. I am 22 years old, 5'10 and currently 196 pounds about 8-9% body fat. Last year I cut down to 180 pounds from 200, this year im cutting from 215. I was supposed to do my first competition this year, but binged out one weekend not knowing how much it would affect my physique (first show prep) so I withdrew. I am carb cycling, 6-8 meals a day (depending on if training/rest day) 2 a day training, each meal will consist of roughly 40g-50 protein (chicken,fish,bison, extra lean ground turkey) with about 4-6 meals with 15g of fat (almonds are my rock, mct oil, fish oil,) sometimes adding PWO 50g carbs and every 5th day I will replace the fat with roughly 50g of complex carbs to refuel and get my metabolism firing. I have been lifting since 15 years old, but have been taking it serious the last two years when I started training with my boss (Pro BB) . So I Would like to get some personal opinions on a first cycle to lose to get lower BF %!
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If your stats are correct and I'm not doubting you... You have a great physique going and it would be in your best interest to wait a few more years. I mean you said you've only been taking it seriously for 2 years; imagine the what you'll look like 3 more years with consistent hard training and good nutrition. Skip the gear and eat bro. I wish I would have waited until I was closer to my natural peak but can't turn back time.
Your boss, the pro BB, should be able to guide you. Cutting is ALL diet. You can cut on testosterone as long as you keep your estrogen in check. "Cutting" cycles are basically using steroids to preserve muscle mass while being in a calorie deficit. Those "cutting" steroids are ones that tend to pull water out instead of holding it in. Typically shorter ester testosterones are used because a lot of people tend to hold water on the enanthate and cypionate esters. I however can run enanthate without any water retention in dosages up to 1000mg weekly probably because my diet is spot on. A lot of people tend to run test prop with winstrol or anavar to cut. Tren is another big daddy to cut with. But, if you are gonna run something and its your first cycle, you still need to stick with one compound and that compound needs to be testosterone. If you have no worries about sticking yourself go with test prop. If it were me, I would just run 500mg of test enanthate, keep your diet spot on, and and have some ancillaries on standby for estrogen control.
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As a first cycle, the farthest I would go beyond test is var. I am currently cutting too, and am only using 350mg test prop for muscle preservation as it is hard to cut low without losing muscle. I think that is why you want the AAS too. If you're looking for direct fat burning effects, it's still early for those AAS compounds (e.g Tren). I would stick with diet, which you obviously know how to do, and thermogenics if that is something you like. EC/A is an example.
Thanks I appreciate your help, the main thing I am confused about is that I'm still young and my body produces a lot of test as it is so in my mind would it have a big impact?
I say skip the AAS for now, stick with a perfect diet and add in some thermogenics if they do not bother you. I would save my first cycle for a decent winter bulk if I were you, when you think you're ready that is
I agree, I'm just curious for when the time comes. I have been dieting for about 15 weeks (-the weekend binge lol). Have used various thermogenics along the way. Haven't done the ECA stack, only a yohimbine/thermogenic. The diet has been tweaked a bit but im just looking for that extra dryness
You might get more responses in the cycle section but ya general rule of thumb first cycle or two are test only