posted Tue, 10/23/2012 - 07:35
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Question about young guys, under 21.
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I know all the reasons why someone under 25 shouldn't take steroids. I actually have almost decided to wait thanks to info from you guys, but I still have a question. See I have friends who have taken steroids and didn't PCT or anything, really they had no idea what they were doing. All my age 19-20. They don't take them anymore, yet they have no problems with ED, or other test issues. I know you guys always say "They might look fine, but inside they have caused major issues." but what is taking so long? When will they start experiencing these issues.
I just kind of want to know the science as to why it would take so long for their test to start being screwed up instead of it just being screwed up a couple months after their cycle?
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Fellas I am not saying your wrong. I just want to know the science behind what is going on. Does your test never recover after your frst PCT or does it recover but than for sone reason down the line it goes back down. This is considering you only cycle once. Im not saying you guys are wrong I just want to know the science behind it.
the hypothalamic pituitary testicular axis (hpta) controls how much testosterone is produced in our body. when you take AAS, your body ceases to produce testosterone because your body already has way more then enough androgens. when you stop taking steroids it takes several months for your body to regain full production of testosterone. it takes some people more time then others. a few never fully recover. ancillaries (clomid,nolva,hcg) can speed up the recovery process. doing a cycle 100% correctly does not guarantee a fast recovery or a full recovery for that matter. the vets insist that people get bloodwork done before cycle and after pct so that they know exactly if the numbers say they have recovered.
the bottom line is that you are taking chances. if you are young and do not feel comfortable with the possible repercussions, then dont risk it.
It is different in everyone. Some people can recover without pct. Some people struggle to barely have enough test even after a vigorous pct.
Really the guys who cycled with no pct probably have really high test levels so even if it doesnt go back to as high as it was its still enough for them to function.
Thanks for the responses gus but no one really touched on wat I wanted, what actually happens scientiically. Most of you guys are saying aas now will cause issues down the line.
Lets ay hypothetically I decide to take one one cycle of aas an then never touch them again. What happens. Right after my Pct is my test never normal again or does it wait 10 years to go "remember when you took aas? Yea your fucked". Im just trying to understnd what scientifically happens.
Sorry about any spelling erros I like to research while at wprk so Im typing on my phone.
that research is available on google... Scientifically your brain produces signals to the testes and other organs. When you take AAS that signal shuts down and your body starts sending other signals to achieve homeostasis (balance). For a small percent of people 1 cycle can permanently disrupt that neuro signal from functioning correctly ever again. For others, it takes a few cycles, and for others their bodies rebound and no damage is done. There are alot of variables.
So what where you expecting to heard bro? "Yeah go ahead start young no prob" You will never heard that saying here(nobody on his right mind will tell you that here) this guys here are trying to give you the best advice because they have already been there done that and some of them have suffer the consequences from not listening. From my personal experience(Not "scientifically" experience) i have just recently have to drop my cycle, why??? Because i was not training, eating,resting the way i want it to(Personal problems) And because i rather do a cycle the right way and not just half ass for 12 weeks and don't throw my time and money down the drain. But after all bro it's your decision and you do whatever you think is best for you, i'm out of this tread, peace.
Well said rick..honest and straight....
Welcome to level one brother... you deserve it
Yaay Thanks Viking, i would give you a kiss if i could(full homo) Anyhow just telling the truth, hope this guys does what's best for him
It all comes down to in my personal experience talking with younger guys its not coming fast enough they see the false ads with beautiful bodies and girls all over them they want it now and want to earn it the easy way, I always laugh cause I'm like what do you eat its the same shit no fucking discipline or workout routine just fucking god damn whataburger and curls for the girls.....tell me when you eat the same Damn thing every day pounding water to swallow fucking boiled chicken then take fucking 450lbs squat it to the ground til you see stars that magic bottel is a drug and no matter what I cant change minds you eat all your meals no shake except pwo lift heavy on legs with blood shoot eyes feel fibers breaking on chest and tell me naturaly your ass wont grow bullshit just go back to drinking your protein shake and doing arms and abs cause no one young listens that's the problem my cuz I have high hopes for competes and been competing natural for 3 years no gear and 21 that young man is 220 5'9 and incredible tell me it can't be down and you get a fuck you.....you want it bad enough earn it through hard work and passion!!!!!
Kids lie! Whether it's about how big their dick is or how much pussy their getting. So it goes to reason that if they are having some Willy problems, they won't be bragging to their buddies about it... So unless you are actually giving your buddies handjobs you have no real way of knowing LOL!
Lmao........ Actually giving handjobs and not just bragging about it. Lmao.
haha "I almost decided to wait" thats a nice way of saying i know I shouldn't but I also know that I'm going to. And thats exactly why you shouldn't, if you know something is wrong and do it anyway your a slave to whatever temporary benefit you perceive.
Unless you have a heart dead set on becoming a pro BB or strong man than your motivation for juicing at such an early age is because of insecurity. You want more attention, applause, to feel confident, high etc. You could easily at your age build your bench to 400, dead lift to 600 and squat to 500+ all natural. You may not be a bloated giant but you'll be stronger than most guys juicing if you train smarter and harder and heavier. Get there first with hard work than reevaluate your goals.
And ps. i'm not ragging on you or trying to put you down, I screwed myself up by taking gear too early, I didn't know it could have any effects later in life so already your wiser than I was at that age. I used gear a few times only from 18-21 and by 25 my system was screwed up, T levels were that of a 60 year old man I didn't experience any ED, thank God, but I was very flat looking and tired out, it feels miserable. I'm 30 now and doing everything I can to avoid life long TRT.
Good post buddy. Others take heed of this guys experiences.
+1.
Its long run damage bro. So if normal dude hits trt....and late starter juicer hits trt at 40. Do you want trt at 30? Regardless of still in the gym..trt is to the grave. And what guy EVER under 25 will walk up to you and say "dude, i can't satisfy my woman." None. Because bbuilding is all bout ego and showing off. All pimp all the day.
No1I started at 17 and no problems here, still not even on TRT
Which proves Kbears assertion, can't get more insecure than a 17yr old....
Dude! shoosh!!
Maybe they got lucky. Could depend on what they took and for how long. Better safe than sorry. Especially when it comes mr winky.