PIP - really ?!!?
Hi.
I've used gear before but this is the first time I inject, and damn, ive got the worst pip ever. Its been like 8-10hours that ive pinned my quad with 500mg (2ml) test.e (i'm frontloading).
My thigh is really painful right now, right after pinning i felt no pain, no blood coming out from the injection, everything got smooth until i woke up this morning, or at least tried to wake up, i gotta say i am walking like a 80years old man, maybe even worse, and with that pain there is no way i can go to the gym or even go outside.
By the way my painful thigh just looks like the other one, you cant tell im suffering just by looking at it.
When i try to walk im getting vertigo ( im really not used to have vertigo, it may even be the first time ) and i start sweating alot, but i think im just a little nervous since this is my first time, so right now im still in bed, luckily im on holidays, no job to do, unfortunately im not living alone so people will start asking questions seeing a 31 years old man walking like an undead..
Well done that I kept some antibiotics in hand (ibuprofene) just in case, so i just took one.
Now im trying to find the reasons for this PIP, and ive listed a few things i may have done wrong.
- I went in straight (90degrees), i did know that its better to pin from the side, i just forgot that point when i started pinning, i know im stupid.. I even gotta say that i remembered it when i was already pushing the oil inside, wont do the same mistake twice.
- I injected 2ml of test.e, and it may be too much for the first injection.
- Not exercising the muscle afterwards, ive seen it helps. I pinned yesterday night so i went to bed 30minutes after the injection.
- Im using 22gauge 1" IM needles, ive seen people sometimes inject with a 25gauge or higher, but these 22 are the thinner ones i can find in my country, but since the pharmacy is selling it for IM injection i dont think it is a real problem, and when i injected the needle got inside much easier then i thought it would be.
Except from these little things, ive done everything ok, alcohol swabs, pushing the oil very slowly (took about more than 1min to inject 2ml), etc..
Next injection is sunday morning and i will do everything properly for sure, i think i will try to pin the other leg.
Ive read alot about pinning and all, but if you have any advice that you think may help me, please let me know so i will be able to recover fast and hit the gym tomorrow or even tonight.
I tried to make all things clear to get some help that may even help others newbies. And I know my english is not really good because this is not my native language.
Thanks.
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Effects people in different ways i guess..i have never had any PIP in my life..but i am in great shape
trained natural for 25yrs before juicing so muscles in really good shape..maybe that helps with injection pain. underdeveloped muscle maybe feel more PIP than those in good shape. who know?..
Thank you guys for answering.
I just woke up and it is still really painfull, usually im not a pussy concercing pain, but this pip is really hard, nothing has change since yesterday, its been now like 33hours since i injected the test.
Next injection is supposed to be sunday morning, i dont think i will inject if i still feel the same. I see no point doing a cycle if i cant hit the gym or even live normally..
Ive seen the pip from first injection sometimes takes 48hours or more to disapear, but actually i dont feel it is going to heal soon.
I will see how it goes, im still doing heating pads & hot showers.
If sunday i still feel that bad i guess i'll have to see a doctor.
@hollywoodham : For how long have you been suffering from that hard pip bro?
i dont have it anymore, i started diluting my gear with sterile filtered grapeseed oil, and no pain. but before it was coming on about 24 hours after injection, and staying for almost a week. couldnt even bend my leg at all.
thanks bro
But damn a week.. its been now 48 hours for me and i am still pretty bad, if i still feel the same sunday morning i'll stop the cycle for the moment..
Btw im wondering if i will need any pct compounds if i do stop now.. ive injected hcg once, right after the test, and ive been on dbol for 48hours too. please guys let me know if i need some clomid if i stop now.
thanks
if youve only been on for a couple weeks, i would say no.
hey bro, i had the same problem. read my post from a few weeks ago, it should help you. http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/causes-and-sol...
its more to do with the level of ben. alcohol the lab uses. 2 ml isn't too bad for qauds. hit glutes and i bet the pain will be bad. pip is caused by a few reasons. infection, you hit a nerve or bone, high ben. alcohol content in the bottle, and moving the needle after you inject damaging the muscle.
Don't pin 2cc in the quads. Pin the glutes bro
thanks guys for these advices.
I didnt hit the gym today cause i can still barely walk, and it is impossible for me to contract my quads, i'll try another hot shower before going to bed
after looking all day long at pinning spots pics i may have injected a bit far away from my knee or too close to the middle of my leg, even though ive seen that i cant pin to close to knee too.. im not even sure so i took a pic so you can see where ive pinned
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/8020/img0233nz.jpg
i guess i may have underestimated how important it is to find the right spot to inject.
Please let me know if you think i did this wrong.
thanks
Im like 6 pins into my first cycle and thats about the spot where I picked my first spot maybe a little more outside. I just prop my leg up so the muscle is as relaxed as possible and try to find a really meaty spot. If you twinge when you inject and contract the muscle it's probably going to have more pip. I'll admit I've been limping around the past three weeks but I haven't had to stay home and I even have to walk across campus and back and up 3 flights of stairs for 2 separate classes but it can suck.
-I've been getting lumps so if you have a lump put a heat pack on it before you need to do anything and that helps.
-Also you want to take an anti inflammatory like sodium naproxen or aleve. Ibuprofen is not an anti inflammatory.
-And like others said pin early in the day. I can't run from my pip but I still get my cardio in on a bike to get blood flowing and warm up the hamstrings. And I never feel the pip until I wake up the next morning. I do a Sun/Thur pin schedule and can usually get legs in after my pin on Thur after a little warmup on the bike..
-Just throwing this out there I am a newb to pinning steroids but I was in the military so I've had more than my fair share of shots and learned ways to deal with them
"Ibuprofen is not an anti inflammatory"... What??
My bad I was thinking tylenol I just use to be prone to tendonitis as a pitcher in baseball and was always recommended sodium naproxen/aleve over others
frankie-fix1Looks a tad high to me man
A good way of finding the correct area is to let your arms hang down lose on your quad and at the end of your index finger is around the correct spot
Could also be due to high acid content gear
Never inject before bed. Movement helps a lot. No movement allows that gear to just stay at site. Ouch
CleyonQuad injections are worse for me than anywhere else, and 2cc in one location ALWAYS sucks. If it were me, next time I'd follow all the great advice below. Heating the vial works, and so does taking a nice hot shower right after the injection, but making it 2 1cc injections will be much better.
frankie-fix1Try heating the oil with a blow dryer before injecting this will help disperse the oil faster around the muscle also inject at the start of the day so your active on that muscle all day long as this will also help.
Hot bathsor a Heating Pad will help with pain, Ibuprofen to reduce inflammation.
Also make sure your injecting into the muscle and not the iliotibial band. If you inject anything into this it's going to hurt like hell for days.
Here is a diagram of where the iliotibial band is. Stay far away when injecting.
Many people incorrectly inject into the side of their leg thinking its the quad they're hitting.
http://images.medicinenet.com/images/featured/detail_itb.jpg
Good luck.
Thanks for your answers. Yeah next injection i think i should pin once in each leg but i guess i will be more like walking on hands haha. What you're telling me is recomforting i gotta say.
I cooked some chicken and took a hot shower, so right now i can walk in my house "normally" but im still way too slow to go outside and hope to get into the gym.
I dont think i will be able to lift weights today, i'll just do some pushups lol..
I'll keep updating this untill i totally recover.
try to go walk on a stepper or treadmill for an hour get a little cardio in and loosen up the muscle a bit
56tooYeah 2 cc of anything for the first time is gonna make u feel that way. The bright side? In a few days u wont remember it. When u do it anywhere else you're probably gonna feel the same thing, so I dont know bro, either cut the dose down or put half in one spot and the other in the opposite side so that way you wobble around evenly LOL
500mg of test e to virgin muscle is gunna have pip part of the game man, i wouldn't to legs for a couple days haha