Just ONE cycle?
I've been debating with myself lately. Let me just go over my plan first. Feel free to rip it apart, unless it makes sense?
Stats and History: 25. 5'10". 165lb. 9%bf. 2 DS cycles (over a few years ago).
Plan:
My ideal physique would me being around 180-190 lbs at under 10% bf. (I have a small frame, so it would look really good). I have no desire being a meat head with overly developed muscles.
With one or two cycles, achieve my ideal physique in less than a year, and simply work to maintain that physique.
Why the idea of doing a cycle or two when I can achieve that naturally? I've always heard you can't buy time. But this is what I'd be doing. Instead of taking 3 years to get there naturally, I would take less than one year to achieve my ideal physique. Therefore having an extra two years at the physique I want, in my prime youthful years.
BUT. Two things have crossed my mind. Can I STILL maintain that physique? Does a cycle or two affect the way my body can naturally maintain a frame like that? Even if I eat right and train hard?
Second question, do you feel like you have to do just ONE more cycle to get there? Will my ideal physique be subject to numerous future cycles to maintain/improve?
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I did a pretty shitty first cycle of just sustanon before I knew any better and I was very surprised at how much of my gains stayed with me after PCT. Just keep eating properly.
RustyhookerTHIS IS CLEARLY A TROLL. BEFORE ANY REGULARS GET BONKED
WHY BE HERE?
My teenager craps bigger than 165.
To clarify I am not a troll! He's referring to this bruhbruh character. Any advice, wisdom, opinions you want to share you still can. Thanks.
RustyhookerReferring to bruh bruh.
Here's the deal. You want physique and your goal can be attained in 2 months of real foods. It's only as good as the gym and calories.
Gear. It seems like logical shortcut but by time you factor health risks for return when you could do it with just food. Kinda answered that question.
Basic cycle as you proposed, by time you get everything you need you got a $600 drop. That $600 could stock you full of chickens and beef. Your diet you posted is completely too small to maintain the 185 when you get there. Bonus is you're starting out lean.
Seriously add your macros up. 185x2 in just protein. Thats easy with several small dense meals. Complex carbs...excellent. Glycemic charts for diabetics list all the top complex carbs. Fats are needed. Fish oils, flax etc to keep skin n hair healthy. Its your cardio that will burn excess.
They know your not a troll. If rusty gives u advice listen he's a very respected member here
Yep gonna stay quiet for now....
Just got back on looked at my last post and the op's response.....seems like u might be right....let me dig into this page 1....
Hey! I'm no troll... but I guess you already figured that out.
I know that diet is the main ingredient to gaining muscle mass whether on or off. I've ate like a pig in the past, and gained a lot more fat than I'd wanted (which I didn't even think was possible).
Still researching.. Thanks.
Yea i know....bro....u just keep eating and get your macros dialed in right....you need help just ask....fr sent
Agreed it just pissed me off gave the young gentlemen solid advice bout not needing steroids for his goals . Then it's gets pissed away by this one troll
Hey man your advice is cherished and I didn't even see what this bruh kid wrote. No worries.
Plus one young man u have the attitude where u will succeed in life. Just sit down and make an informed decision. U have your head on right . There's no one that can make the choice for u but u.I'd like to suggest something for the forum. I'd like u to give us three months by eating your five meals and drinking vike shakes. I would be shocked if u haven't gained five ta ten pounds. In the meantime keep researching here. Knowledge is power and just come back to this forum and put up what results u made. I'm willing to bet u will surprise yourself
Oh that bruhbruh is a trolll...yep.....i gotcha....lol....damn wish i woild have stayed with this....but i am back....
RustyhookerNot worth the headache arguing. Just a different viewpoint. I dont agree with it but I'd rather help op with foods than argue shortcuts.
Agreed, bro.....
Lol it's been trolls everywhere today they have come.out in full force.
Unbelievable....when this happens we should all go to Channel 9 on the CB RADIO....remember those.???..thats the emergency channel, but we could all regroup in off topic forum or pm each other....just a thought...i get heated and wanna argue...i am learnin....
RustyhookerFolks will go beyond common sence here n there. Discussions will get heated. The info given is always up to the op.
Sgtstedanko has full menus posted. Eating like posted will boost the base. After that it's all sweat value.
True that been trolling goin on every where on the board today it's been bad today
might have been me, godamn fkn android, when im on it and scroll i neg ppl
That's fine not mad I thought someone had a beef with me been the third time in like a couple days lol all good Mack
This is the third time iv been negged in two or three days who keeps negging me
RustyhookerIf bruh is really 5-2 & 160 he's bigger than the op. Someone without prior knowledge might have a hard time understanding stats. But bruh too coulda hit 160 without gear. It's the new shortcut. But for how long?
Ya I agree the young gentlemen that wrote this only want to gain 15 pounds doesn't want to look like a meat head his words. He doesn't need steroids to gain weight he needs food . These young guys and wanting everything easy and handed to them drives me crazy. Are society is messed up
RustyhookerAgree. But its tempting. You see wolverine on the movies. He blasted a cycle or couple. So everyone thinks its easy. The real success is in the gym. After injury i did the ebc and dropped some 26lbs of lard. 2hrs cardio daily plus my regular workouts. No cheats at all. Was hard enough i definitly do not want to do that again. Results were great but it was rugged.
Well good luck OP...I'm out. Peace.
@rolltide3 That's fine. But what's the big deal if he wants to use, mostly likely Test to get there? Even if he ate like shit before the cycle, if he got his diet together and started to eat big during and after the cycle everything will just fine. He's "cheating" I guess you can say....but so what...we all are.
I went from 139 to 164 on my Test E cycle. 1 month after PCT I was 162...yea I could of gotten there naturally I guess but I didn't want to wait that long and I didn't.
Just by these last two comment u have no idea what your talking about. Not even taking the time to school u. As for the hammer shall see u soon
Why does he need steroids? Is he competing? No, then there is NO REASON TO EVER USE THEM...
If you need to use steroids to walk around and feel "Big" you need to see a psychologist.
Recent studies show 65% of Steroids users are "regular people"...Using steriods just for a show is a thing of the past.
Using steroids to look like a normal human is both pathetic and irresponsible... Your "studies" just show that lack of dedication amongst the wannabe bodybuilders...
Dude..truth be told. A lot of these guys on here are old timers. Probably 40s and 50s. They hate the fact that what you can do in 2 years with gear, it took them 20 years naturally. So they try and preach all this "dedication and hard work" stuff to try and get you to change your mind.
They have this "steriods isn't that serious and doesn't do much attitude" which is complete BS. Steroids do things to your body that you won't believe and they know it. There is nothing wrong with you taking the easier way to get what you want. I promise you if you eat at a surplus and train efficiency you will make unbelievable changes to your body.
This is the only Steroid forum that does nothing but try and get EVERYBODY to stay natural. Most guys are going to do it anyway so why not just help him. You can say something like "My advice is to stay natural, but I know your going to do it anyway...so here's what I would do"....No you guys flame him, then ban him lls...This site has been extremely lame and dry over the last couple months. The only people that are left are the ones that answers questions. Everybody else is banned. The same post stay on the first page for days now. I just think you guys should ease up a bit...it's steriods, there illegal...we are all breaking the rules...so why are you guys playing the good cop
I just have to give you a bonk for being a business idiot. -1 Sources pay real money to have a presence on this site and the members that are all natural spend a ton of money on gear from those sources and labs. Bro, some common sense is required, if you don't have any, you most certainly shouldn't be using gear.
Holy misinformed, stupid, irrational, uneducated, peabrained response. We advocate aas on a SAFE level, and kids like you are who we try and keep it away from. Yes, Im one of those old farts, but the 1st time I ever tried AAS was by a doctor. When I was in my 20's getting laid and finishing college was more important to me. I didnt need to be "buff" to get anything I wanted I used my fkn brain. Thats the problem I see lately with you kids. you hate to have to work for anything, you want everything fkn handed to you, jobs, girls, e.t.c As soon as you mature you will see hard work will get you there much faster. Try it, hard work that is.
And that's the issue I see. It's like you guys are angry at the resources us younger guys have these days. We don't want to be 50 years old and just getting "that body" shit we don't want to be 35 and just getting there. I understand things were different in your days, but things are different now. If a ,of age guy with a good diet and training wants to use gear to give him 5 years gains in a year then what's the problem man. That doesn't mean he's being lazy or not working hard. He just wants to use a cheat code to get ahead..
Now i would say he needs to research research and research before anything. That's the only issue i see with people today.
U are dumb Your first post u put we act like steroids are safe. So u know how dangerous there are but now u say young guys just use gear. Well how bout there health. Do u know anything bout the hpta or the endocrine system. Can u explain why we pct what's Clomid and Nolva how are they the same and how are they different. Pct is way more important than the cycle u run especially for young guys. So far u have gave no knowledge or presented any intellect towards steroids all u have done is say it's okay to cheat use steroids I did look at me. Your ignorance is what's wrong with the youth of today
Your body is not a video game, you answered my question truthfully, you dont want to "wait." you would rather put in your cheat code and get your "god mode." Problem is with that atitude its "game over" with no restart and no reset button. AAS is only 5-10% at best, the rest is hard work and a kickass diet. Honestly, look at your weight and what you gained and ask yourself if the gear is working. Dont blame it on bunk either or you need more. At 5 foot 2 you might need to get a stepladder so you can reach in the cabinets and fridge and start eating more. No offense, I ha e a stepstool myself to reach up high in my cabs.
That comment illustrates the fact that you're a fucking moron. Steroids are sex hormones, plan and simple.When you're young you're still developing and they're still balancing out... When you introduces steroids at a young age you can really mess up the natural development process taking place inside your body, possibly shutting it down forever.. TRT.. Being a 20 year old know it all, I'm sure you'll run perfect cycles, so theres no need to worry about TRT... Not to mention your fucking 20, your natural test levels are apexing, so there is NO reason to introduce more testosterone... steroids are the finishing touch to your hard work. hard work is built off of steroid use... ...I can hear the rumble in the clouds, banned hammer on the horizon.
Lmao...you guys live and die off this "ban hammer"...."erase that or your gonna get banned" lls...like I'm supposed to be scared or something. I made this account just for that...but why Ban me? Because you don't like my take on things? I said my part and you said yours the conversation will be over with. No need to be a wuss About it
I would banned you because of that shit spewing out of your cocksucker all over this board.. We take the proper approach and there has been many-of-members who spent sometime now building this website in the proper manner, focused on reviews and health cycle layouts... so we don't take kindly to cocks who think they can come in here and undermine what we're trying to accomplish...
Lmfao your take really working for ya all 160 pounds of u lol maybe u can post your diet here and we can help
I'm a 5'2/Mexican btw...160 looks great on me! I'm off the topic though
RustyhookerWhats your real stats?
You're in here promoting the op to jump on gear when if what you posted is correct, YOU'RE BIGGER THAN THE OP. And the op is near a foot taller. Use some sence here.
Boom plus one where's the hammer I hear thunder
Lol he's a troll trying to get ever pissed nice pic love futurama
Total Butt Troll... just needed a reason to post that.. had it for a while now LOL
Your a dumbass he doesn't need steroids to gain ten or 15 pounds that's all he want to gain u retarded. He doesn't want to be huge. Who the fuck said steroids weren't serious I put it's very serious and could hurt him.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/for-guys-that-seriously....
Read this bro add these shakes to your meals Viking is the man and read how many guys have had success drinking these
Cool, thanks!