posted Fri, 07/08/2016 - 11:19
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Is deca the best mass builder?
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As the title says. I've run NPP once at only 300mg a week for 10 weeks (with test e) as a test run. It was easily the hardest recovery I've ever had. (No erections or libido, depression) which I ran with caber .5 a week. Just finished a tren ace anadrol test e cycle and I'm 5 days into pct- I feel fully recovered already and have no ED problems etc.
My main question is... Would deca be the best for mass or would I be better to run tren since I feel little to no sides? (Other than appetite suppression). I don't mind a little water retention because I feel that the joint support allows me to lift heavier without pain. Is tren a comparable to deca in terms of mass gain?
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I personally prefer Tren E to Deca. The strength and quality gains are far greater for me personally.
I agree at least for me. Deca dosent do much for me but Tren puts size and strength on me.
Sounds like FOOD test and try running some dbol ...deca is great mass builder but test is king and dbol is best oral for mass imo.....both compounds you shouldnt have recovery issues..just make sure your liver values are gtg before running the dbol because its a 17aa methylated compound
High calorie intake is the best mass builder. I've heard somewhere that some compounds work better depending on the person, who knows
if you had a hard time recovering and bad side effects from NPP, it will most likely be more difficult to recover from deca. and side effects will linger a touch longer most likely as well.
tren is not a great off season mass compound in my opinion, too much tren will leave you flat all the time. on top of that i have far worse night sweats when im pushing food hard with tren, wont bother with that again. especially if tren shuts your appetite down then it is a flat out awful choice for mass.
before i make any recommendations besides steak and potatoes, i have to ask what is your cycle history? what compounds do you have experience with? how many cycles have you run? i see your 6ft 2 and 230, what bodyfat percentage?
I am around 12%. I've ran 4 cycles. First 2 just simple test e Dbol then test e NPP Dbol last cycle was test e with test p kickstart anadrol and tren ace for just 5 weeks. (Entire cycle was 16 weeks tho)
Like Cat said below, Tren is not a great mass building compound. Comp prep drug for sure, nothing replaces it but not as a bulking compound. Deca is king for that. I also feel your "no sides" experience with Tren is not going to be a lifelong situation. I can run a Tren cycle with few sides then run it again exactly the same and get nothing but all the sides. It seems to be unique in that respect - lack of predictability.
So what compounds would you say would pack on most mass (water too..) without deca?
If deca and NPP are a no go and since Tren is not a great mass builder, there is one other compound in the 19-nor family I have used with success in bulking. But, it is an "exotic" compound that has way too many potential sides for a beginning or intermediate user - Trestolone. So, I would NOT recommend that to you either.
So, I would go with Gymjunkie's recommend below and stick to big Test and food rather than depend on more chemicals.
Simple test cycle and food lots and lots of food to be honest ... You will pack on more pounds with this than anything else .. EAT BIG TO GET BIG
In my personal experience. Deca made the scale move the most for me. Wasnt pretty but i was going for full out weight gain. It was around 23 pounds, water weight included. But that was years ago. I dont run deca anymore. Npp yes but not long estered deca
Everyone is slitely different but most people believe Deca/NPP to be the best for mass gains. You can always run Deca/NPP with Tren together if you want. Seeing as how you don't get any sides from Tren.
I prefer test, EQ, Tbol stack for mass my self. I'm able to keep those gains which is important to me.
Yeah I guess it does depend on the person. It doesn't seem like deca would be a good choice because the shut down. I'd like to run something comparable to deca without the sides
Have you run EQ before? It's not as strong as Deca but I get zero sides from it
No although I've considered it
For you, probably likely answer is no. Sounds like you had a tough time with nandrolone in short ester form, unlikely to be an easier recovery with deca, (probably worse in fact). We're all different, got to find what works for you.
Tren isn't a great mass builder in my eyes. It's a comp prep drug.
Thanks for the response. I agree. But you don't think 50mg tren a ED would pack on mass? 500 mg test 350mg tren and Dbol?
No, but it'll probably pack on all of those nice sides you hear about.
I don't really get sides from tren. Atleast at 250mg pw. What's another choice for mass without nandrolone? 5k calories regardless of what I'm on but high test doesn't seem to make gains any better than 500mg for me. Even with higher calories
Tren lower than test usually leads to the side effects that everyone speaks of. I say usually because in a majority of people it will, save for a few who can run it reverse.
There are compounds better suited to mass gain than others, but it ultimately comes down to diet. I'm hard pressed to believe you can't pack on mass at higher calories, if you're so set on 5k then you'll never break past a certain point. Try 6, 6.5, 7k and then tell me you've stalled. There's quite a few members here who consume around 8k calories per day to keep their size.
So should I lower test or raise tren?
I don't see the need for tren so I'm not going to advise running it. IMO a sust+deca is a staple bulking cycle. Since you can't handle deca, I'd say switch out your test next cycle for sust and run just that with provi. And run it at a dosage of your discretion. Aim for 7k or more calories per day, and you'll grow.
I've ran NPP with moderate test and I must admit I preferred a relatively high dose of test only and a metric shit ton of food for mass!
That's just my opinion.
Same with me. I usually do another injectable along side test with an oral tho. I've never ran deca but I've gotta friend on it now who's gained 30 lbs in 2 months. Pretty appetizing lol
Btw, not running another cycle for a few months. Just planning ahead