IS ANY OF THE ANAVAR WE ARE GETTING REAL??
FIRST This post isn't calling anyone an idiot or wrong, because I personally get anavar withe every cycle.
I just recently just spoke to a pro bodybuilder that many of you might know and the conversation started gearing towards steroids. He didnt admit to anything, and i didnt ask because i just thought it was rude but i did ask about information considering certain steroids.
To break it down:
- He said you can only really trust pharma, there is no comparison
-There are UGL's every where, some better then others obviously
-Then we started talking about anavar and about how i thought it was one of the best steroids and must-have to every cycle
Then he continued to tell me yes on paper anavar is amazing, but doesn't matter from which ugl your getting it from but its not real anavar. He continued to mention that back in the day the biggest guys during the 70-80-90s only needed 10-15mg of pharm anavar. Labs that have 100mg tabs, 50mg tabs, and even 25mg tabs are not real and he was very firm on that,
I am just wondering are we all just ordering Tbol or winny? or the mixture of the two because they are easier to make, much cheaper, much easier to get.
What do you guys think?
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smh....
Do you see the red letters below you? No source or lab talk in open forum.
(http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/forum-rules/the-rules)
CENSORED pharmaceuticals makes legit anavar from what I've read. Anabolics mentioned the labs the guy in that video did and CENSORED. Said they were legit pharma grade products
Cmon now!..... 2 source names censored in one post?.......................... -3 and a little light reading in order for you my man.
http://www.eroids.com/rules-and-guidelines
My apologies. I didn't think that mentioning an actual pharma brand was off limits too.
Won't happen again
Cool!...... heres your money back lol
That's the only source I get it from... rather expensive but well worth it...
I expect with reputable sources the price dictates the ingredients...
I thought about this so often! But I have tried Winstrol turinabol and dianabol... And I must be honest if I buy anavar I do not get same sides as with rest of compounds. Only downside is that' some anavars I need to take more to get anything out of it and I'm a female! I normally need to run 50 mg a day to have results. Winstrol is off table for me as I get incredibly oily.. and itchy. Dianabol gives me hair and water all over! Turinabol gets me swollen and pumped within a week!
As you see I know my reaction to all these compounds. If I take something with name: anavar on the tube I don't get these side effects... Not that I try to say all labs make honest oxandrolone cos I don't believe it but looks like most of it must be oxandrolone...
How do you think?
witekthere is a real one but hard to find I had only once good anavar the rest was winstrol or debol
have you seen this movie ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBf9EAB-rmk
StevebXtendrol Anavar seems to be the only option but I don't know where to buy it online.
There is real OXANDROLONE out there. Its who you know and trust.
It takes a pharma grade facility to assure quality and potentcy. OXANDROLONE
is a very expensive raw material.
So by reading your tone of response!..... what you are really saying is that most of the var out there is shit!.. or am i reading into this wrong?
That statement means to me that the best gear is "underground" and not up for sale by most sources,... meaning the var that most sources are selling is inferior or pure junk (dextrose) in tab shapes.
I have voiced my opinion about orals quite a lot lately (fkn rubbish) so your comment is justifing my beliefs.
Zero answers or arguments from anyone after a 24hr lapse............. i guess my assumptions are correct then.
As i previously stated... back in the day only a poxy 20mg of var would give nose bleeds! now were the fuck has all that quality gone ?????????.... lemme go plunder my sock drawer to see if any of them little gems are still lying around :? lol
Can't say I disagree with ya Vike... I would love to find some of those old school d-bols I used to take for granted as a youngster. Then again now adays I see kids running a gram an half of oil too. My misses is a pharm D and brings me home presents once in a while and the diff between pharm and UG is pretty incredible. Though I would have to say 99% of the oils I have gotten from our top sounces has been good. I get bloods often and the proof is in the pudding! I get a kick out of some of these knucklheads bitching about there gear being underdosed only to find out there eating 3000 cals of shit food every day. I just shake my head-alot lately
LOL..........nothing like sweeeet pressies once in a while bro :))
I can't lie. I really wonder about this one.
I rent a building from a guy. 62 years old. There was a group of these guys on stage in the 80's. We'll hit the gym together every now and then, he'll toss 350 on the bench and slam it 5 times today. The gym just shuts down watching him. That's incredible at 62 . One guy in their group was a bigger name. I won't mention it , or I'd give away my location.
So he calls me out on juicing early on, and we start talking compounds. He freaks out hearing about 500 mg a week of test. Every dose he did was low. The pics I've seen of him, and the other guys are insane. Some serious big boys.
He claims they all did 200 mg of test a week. Period. And they'd throw in an oral. They would all be really low sounding doses. Now, he did say they would run for 10 or 15 weeks , and take 2 weeks off. No pct. no anything. So they were basically on a perpetual cruise. A few of them definitely have some health issues now , and every one ive met it a trt patient. But seeing their stage pics, and hearing the doses they were taking, I really do wonder if there was a quality difference.
I have a lot of faith in our sources here, and all the testing and mass specs. The few orals I've ran I responded to great. I couldn't exceed 25 mg a day on a sources dbol here. Keeping my blood pressure in check was a chore at that, and the gains were great. But seeing what these guys accomplished on 200 mg of test and 10 mg of dbol a day makes me scratch my head.
RustyhookerFirst time i ran pharma dbol just 15Mg/day was a ton. Added 3lbs waterload first week. Strength thru roof. Splitting huge pumps. At 165lbs i was pushing 725 for 15reps on hipsled. Now these kids start at 50Mg/day. When they do stumble on good dbol they're freaking out with estro issues.
my friend gained 35lbs on 15mg pharma dbol and 300mg test per week, went from 225-260 his 2nd cycle in 8 weeks. shit was crazy. It's scary being his spotter.. LoL
RustyhookerIts wild seeing how great products dont need those high doses. Kinda falls in line with the old bodybuilders claiming low dose stacks. When i ran first cycle pharma was everywhere and cheap.
Hahahah.. yeah yeah!... thats were im coming from brother with my orals rant lately!.. you know you was there when the strong gear was around.... this is were they cant believe we were only hitting 250mg amps and blowing up 30lbs + fkn stretch marks tearing my delts and quads to bits, i remember first time that happened i looked like somebody had bull whipped me lol
RustyhookerI got to fully maxed out at 28yrs old. 170 and food, gym etc...just stuck. My first cycle i went balls out monster cycle. 250/week of pharma test!! Big time oil man right there! I climbed to 190 in 10Weeks. After cycle cardio off excess and landed 185 with flat belly. So yes, light cycles and food has kept me round that weight easily.
i know my body well enough to know what im putting in it. winny makes my joints hurt, and tbol gives me stomach issues, ie sour stomach, indigestion, acid reflux, and shits. also var makes me feel energized, i get the dht euphoria from it. i can tell in about 3 days which is which for me. there is real var out there, and its not hard to find.
Im not trying to say Im friends with pro body builders or anything like that lol. I know one that has been going to my gym and Iv always had this curiosity and i asked and he gave me very similar answer. I know this might be an age old question so I brought it here to ask you guys thats it.
If it makes any of your feel better, the pro and the video aside... All I want to know is do you guys think we are getting real anavar at thhese doses of 25,50,and 100 and such good prices and so readily available?
Here ya go bud. Read the responses below also.:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/quality-of-dom...
I believe this would be projected towards pre-eRoids/pre-Mass Spectrum testing courtesy of ANGUS/BEAKER.
There's some excellent sources here that take the time and money to test their compounds. If you research in the Labs section, you'll see which respected sources do. As far as your question about the dosage of some Anavar, I believe the sources that test their products do their best to bring accurately dosed products. Nothings perfect in the UGL game. But we are lucky to have some very good sources taking the UGL to a higher level than UGLs of the past. Hope this helps ya.
Definitely, thank you very much for the help. I dont know why everyones making a big deal about it. Obviously i was doing some research if you search anavar that video will obv come up lol i have nothing to hide. Simple question and i appreciate your help and everyone elses.
Nothing wrong with asking questions and doing research on compounds my friend. That's what the board is for. It was a legitimate question and comment in my opinion.
I agree as well with you a very legitimate question and like Angus said, the way questions are formed is paramount to stopping rumors.
angusI agree with you HAIL, but this is how rumors and misinformation gets spread. If a pro says it then it must be true, correct? I fight this mentality every day and I must admit it gets a bit frustrating. This site is chalked full of good information that is based in science and really refutes the bro-science thinking that has encapsulated the AAS industry for so long. Certainly you are part of that success because you have exposed some fakes and promoted some good sources through science and not just words.
Did you actually talk to a pro or are you regurgitating info from a video off a popular youtube channel? Just asking as your "coversation" is exactly what is said in that video.
Take a quick look through the lab tests section of pics. Not too hard to find real var. Although var is a little more spendy than most oral compounds, it's not as expensive as most may think.
It sure does sound just like that video.. And I could be wrong , but I don't think the guy in the videos, who I happen to like, has ever gotten a "pro "card.
I know exactly what video you guys are talking about, thats where my curiosity came from. Iv seen the video but i didnt really believe it until I heard the same thing from the pro i spoke to. The pro workouts at the gym i go to with his "team" i guess you would say or some lifting buddies and one of the people that he lifts with is a sponsored athlete that i I know personally because we went to high school together. Thats why I asked this question on this forum, iv seen that video, iv asked a pro and he gave me the same answers, so it really made me think because it kinda made sense. I didnt want it to, trust me I love anavar on paper but when you hear similar facts from 2 different places it just made me more curious.
Definatley makes me a little more skeptical .. I agree.
I think you can get real var easy. I know 3 sources off the top of my head I would go to. There is a few sources on here that prove quality time and time again.
BigBmaj.
You would have to be wet behind the ears not to be able to recognize Tbol or Winnie if you know your body at all. Tbol might rope in the uninitiated but selling Stanazolol tabs as a stand in for var is a joke. The raw oxandrolone is a wee bit more expensive to make so the finished tabs are pricier as well. The bottom line is that the Chinese biotech companies that supply most of the raw powders have improved over time, not gotten worse. Couple that with the intense competition in the UGL steroid markets at the moment, and no lab that wants to hold its customer base and expand is gonna sell u Tbol or Winnnie. The savings on a var production run are not worth bad customer karma. If your pro is talking about var dosing from the '70s - the guy must be in a wheelchair. And let me finish with this thought - my pro buddies that have nice supplement contracts and the like still by UGL gear. Imagine that.
GearHead
Thats exactly what makes me believe that the var thats going around nowa days from some of these top ugls are from new and more advanced Chinese labs and companies sprouting because there is such a high demand.
I won't disagree that most often the UGL Anavar sold is Tbol or Winnie. That's kinda old news. But you can check out the Mass Spec lab results and see whose got legit Anavar. Sometimes you can judge my the price also,similar to Primo that's sold. As for 10-15mg dosing....I don't agree with that. My compound pharmacy sells me 25mg compounded capsules and prescribes 2 per day. 10-15mgs daily is more for female dosing. Just my .02
I really appreciate that, I was just wondering what some of you more experienced guys thought. Im definitely going to try out those testing kits the guy below suggested.
I've seen those testing kits. Although they don't determine mg dosing,they seem to determine what compound is actually in the tablet or vial. Seems pretty cool. Also, my compounded Anavar 25mg capsules can range from $7-10 per capsule. So even on the high end it wouldnt cost $2000 for a daily 50mg dose for 60 days.
You could alway buy a var labmax test kit to ease your mind.
http://www.labmax.ca/
Have you personally used this and gotten positive results?
I used one last year and the var I tested was no good. I still have 2 of these test left over. I'm just not 100% sure on the legitimacy of the test in itself, but it's supposedly very accurate from my readings.
and for $16..why not
No lab names, or users will be stated but there have been mass specs ran on oxandrolone here evidencing existence of properly dosed product. With that said I had an experience with var where I thought it may be dbol actually because I put on crazy size, lbs, and strength in the beginning of a cycle.
So you do believe that some of these 25,50,100mg are real anavar? Trust me I love var and love to incorporate them in every cycle iv done (which is 3) but when he told me if it was real anavar it would cost up to 2000$ for a real 50mg 8wk cycle. All im saying is that his points were really persuasive/believable.
Ive heard the same thing to bro. I spoke with some bodybuilders from the 80s and they said the max they took was 20mgs. They came in 2.5mg tabs back then so they'd be taking 8 a day with great results.
20mg back then was so strong it gave nose bleeds bro............. fuck all like that around these days.
lol get me some of that shit. Im going to run it at the end of this cycle for the first time and most of my research has me thinking 75-100mgs a day.
I was a powerlifter at 123lbs from 1985 -1988 and at 132lbs from 88-89. During this time I used only anavar. 2.5 searle oxandrolone white football shaped tabs. Over an 8 week period I would cycle from 3 tabs ed to 12 tabs ed. Then the next 4 weeks I would cycle back down to 3 tabs.My experience with "real" var during this time was 80lb increase in bench and a 150 increase in the squat in a matter of 3 weeks. Best competition bench was 310lbs and squat 455lbs. Var never had an effect on my deadlifts for some reason.I did not experience any joint pains while on a cycle. Between cycles, elblows pains were terrible. Again, NO PAIN while on var. Another side effect that seems common now but never never happened with var in the 80's are the "back pumps". So fricken wierd are these back/calf pumps. Again, all I did was anavar in the 80's.
I share this with you because I too find it strange of the higher dosing of var. I know from my own experience in the 80's that when dosing over 20mg, there is no more steady increases in strength. Strength just maintains. Also, within the first few weeks while on, my body would shred. Veins popping everywhere. Striations in the delts. Serratus and obliques were ripped to hell. This is a time when I was in my early early 20's when my diet consisted of pop tarts, diet cokes and pizza. I didn't have to worry about diet. Which by the way, appetite was very low when cycling on var.
I've been on supposed "Var" from two different labs now. 50mg x 2 ED. My diet is a clean high protein low carb. I'm on my second cycle on the 6th week. My strength has increased but NOT like the 80's var I knew. My body has definitely became more muscular. However, vascularity not even close! I have a little veinage thats popped up across my chest and delts, but my "old" veins from back in the day on my Bi's have yet to show up. Appetite has increased. And I'm having extreme joint pains in my elbows. Something I know shouldn't be happening. Searle Anavar had always masked my joint pains.
So, since I know from my own experience, that this is not var that I'm on for the 2nd time, I ordered a test kit (not going to reveal) to find out what it is. I tested samples from both labs each from a different source and each came up positive for winstrol. I'm so disappointed. And this makes sense. Think about it..If real var is expensive and if real var doesn't need to be taken in high dosages (50mg-100mg ed) as proven in the 80's, Then...
RustyhookerBingo!