posted Fri, 05/26/2023 - 09:04
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Mixed thoughts/opinions everywhere.
What’re you guys’s thoughts on doing high test (~500mg+) with tren, VS low test (<300mg) with a tren cycle?
Benefits/losses on one versus the other?
Considering a tren blast here for a summer recomp/lean bulk and curious as to what others like to keep their test at while doing 300-400mg of tren
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I prefer 100-150mg of test a week with 200-300mg of tren ace. I think I used test/tren 1/1 once, then every other cycle has been low test higher tren. It works. I think higher test is unnecessary unless you're bulking. And if I'm bulking I'm probably not gonna be using tren although it's great for bulking or cutting.
So... If I do decide to use tren ... I'm gonna be either trying to cut, or lean bulk and I'll be very miticulius about my diet.
I just don't think it's necessary. Tren isn't necessary for the average Joe but it is fun. If you're gonna use it, be as careful as possible. Keep dosages low. And adding test imo ... Could end up ruining a look tren can give you. End up having to take more shit just to counter the side effects from more test.
I'm currently running 600 mg of test and 200 mg of Tren E/week. From my experience, I started with 50 mg of Tren E for two weeks to see how I would feel and increased to 200 mg after two weeks. So far, so good. I do see a noticeable difference in my appetite as I am not as hungry as I used to be. I take Naltrexone and Ambien due to sleep issues I suffer from, but that's been a life long issue. I have no night sweats but when I do dream, they are vivid and I can remember most of the dream. My basic protocol is TRT at 300 mg/week, but I am also still trying to get that dialed in, yes, I am doing things backwards a little, but I feel good and I will most likely run this cycle again as a cut next spring/early summer.
I am NO pro at any of this, but through reading and researching and paying attention to the knowledgeable people in these forums I have gained enough knowledge to make a run at it. This is just my experience so far. I've only been doing this cycle for about 5 weeks so I'm still in eht early stages.
We have all heard of the elephant in the room. Well this thread is a prime example of what I like to call "the parrot in the room".
There's a lot of these parrots, they hear or read something novel and then, without doing any research whatsoever they jump into a thread and start parroting what they heard. I think we all need to keep in mind the one thing that is true, what works well for one might not work well for another, it's over used but it's the truth, we are all different. With this in mind I wont even post what works for me because it's irrelevant to you!! Do what works for you.
Why not post what works for you to give others ideas who are searching for frames of reference on different ways how to use Tren. I would’ve never learned on here over a decade ago that you can run other compounds higher than test. I have best results and manageable sides keeping test low in all my cycles and I would’ve never learned this or tried it if people with more experience didn’t share their experience. But, then again, I don’t compete or run heavy cycles.
I run 300 mg of Tren with 250 or 200 mg of test. If I wanted more size I would run 500mg of test and keep the Tren lower, but of course, more sides.
See Simon, who ever knew back when you were a teenager and had big aspirational dreams of the world and everything that you were going to do and accomplish with your life - that as a middle aged man you would wind up spending a large amount of your time arguing on an internet forum with other men that should know better, about how high you should be running your artificial testosterone alongside cattle rearing steroids LMFAO
Lmao, I’ll debate about this over politics any day of the week. This shit is fun.
Politics is mind numbing isn't it, a lot of people are into it over here moaning on about political parties and the PM. I don't get the fascination with it all, none of what we think or say will ever affect any of whats going on unless you are high up in power. I just accept whatever they decide and get on with trying to live the best life I can while I'm here. Most of the people in that world just appear to live for debating and being confrontational with others.
@press1 @simonmagus84 Ironic, you two politicking over politics.
Touché
I have my own stake in this game a fee times
I look better running test lower then tren vascular, 3d look . BUTT feel better running test higher and look bigger Both ways with tren i have shitty sleep.
Im mind f-cked so i will take the lower test with higher tren for beach season
anvilI am running 40mg per week Tren A and its effing awesome. No sides so far. Test to the sky, but you have to see how you react to each before you decide on a "cycle" for the wet dream of every boy who has watched tiktok a LEAN BULK to get HUGE and LEAN at the SAME time.
40mg a week? What else are you running
Vigorous crew in the house!!!! A 200mg Finaplix-H implant slow released over 63 days finishes off a feedlot heifer, weight gain & muscle mass, hmmm.
But didnt he also get screwed up sleep on 25 mg aday and blamed it on being old
True. That is what he said. Although, he’s ran a gram of tren before so he knows what it is. I just believe he is in a different place in his life (buisness ventures, work, wife) and less tolerant off side effects
anvilI have had 0 sides so far.
Most side effects from tren come from high testosterone. Since trenbolone has a higher binding affinity for the androgen receptor, the testosterone, which is already behind, can no longer dock to the receptor. so it has a very strong aromatization. This in turn has a synergistic negative effect with the prolactin value, which is triggered by trenbolone. high estrogen, high prolactine and massive lowered cortisol levels make you feel bad as fuck. Long story short... unless you're in a mass phase, you should keep the testo as high as necessary and as low as possible. low testo, higher tren is the secret to keeping such a stack bearable. Add a little caber and it's more bearable. ad drosta and provide some support to the converted testo with its anti-estrogenic effect, which is why drosta should also have its place here. your well beeing will benefit. and lastly... short esters are preferred as they are easier to dose and control. everybody who struggles with tren should try this... lower testo slightly arround or above TRT level... that is enough and let tren do its real job.
I completely disagree with this. The notorious bad sides that you get from Trenbolone such as the winding feeling in the pit of your stomach when doing anything exertive, finding it harder to breathe in the lungs, sleeping longer than blocks of an hour, constant sweating, always feeling depleted of energy, feeling irritable all come from running too much Test? Absolutely not, for many people including myself running Test higher will make you feel better and more human instead of like a Zombie on trenbolone. Guys see advice like this and then think they have to follow it, then I get PM's asking why they feel like crap on tren and I tell them this is why.
anvilBronchial restriction happened to me even on 40mgs pw but it seems to have passed now. Oh test has the sides? News to me, pushed 1.2grams only issue was elevated bp and I have 3 different bp meds on hand when it happens this time.
you don't read correctly... you feel bad on tren because it is binding that much to the receptors, that the most of your testosteron will convert! that makes you feel bad! your dead cortisol levels... makes you feel that way. more testosterone will convert more... raise your estradiols, which is shutting cortisol even more and more. and you think you feel better when taking more testo to your stack? that has no biomedical evidence dude. you put more testosteron in your system for what? it can not bind to the receptors and all you get is more sides of it!
anvilHey guy post up a pic and back it up. Post up or shut up. Biomedical ? You mean bioidentical.
You also can’t produce any “biomedical evidence” (lmao) regarding the use of trenbolone and testosterone in the human body. Go ahead, link me a study to support your claims.
This old as hell high test, low test with tren debate is basic af. It’s all anecdotal and there’s as many people who prefer it one way as there is that prefer it the other.
You’re just spitting out terminology that you barely have a grasp of the definition and very little comprehension
Your theory is outdated tbh. Arguably the greatest anabolic mind we have in the public domain right now, Vigorous Steve, is currently advocating the use of LOW TREN. He’s gone far in proving the efficacy of this using ALL available clinal data and research. On top of that, he ran 25mg ten ace weekly, on top of a 150mg test dose, and blew the fuck up, in real time, in front of thousands of viewers. @anvil
That would be a what? 6:1 test/tren ratio? Lmfao
anvilYes, you know I am doing 350 test 40 tren 30 var right now and I am destroying it.
Vig Steve is a legend.
40 mg tren. Wow. Starting trend possibly
Im not sure my opinion yet
Youtube is youtube and real life is real life
I definitely know 50 mg aday off tren can be magic with diet. And a guy i know & see has been doing 25 mg per day of tren aslong as he his being honest has me paying attention
anvil40mg a week. I at still at 240 on calorie deficit. I'll post it up in 4 more weeks for progress. Also finish the hyaluronic post up.
Solid stack big bro. Proud of you. Blazing the trail on here and I’ll be right behind you shortly
anvilI am going to up the prop to much higher as blood work allows, I am all solids right now.
Nice. Dosages, length of cycle… determined by necessity and health markers
anvilYou know it my brother!
I do not base my own findings off biomedical evidence or how things look on paper, I go off how I feel and the results I get. My mood, how I perform and lift and the results I get are way better off high test to tren at 2:1 than low test or 1:1. I guess you are also one of these guys who thinks MENT is a better compound than Trenbolone just because it says so on paper.
Unfortunately, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You think that you can put out a fire if you pour more gasoline into it. You don't even understand where the side effects of trenbolone come from and what chain reaction trenbolone triggers if you put even more testosterone into the system where it can't bind anyway. you can just do it as before. I just hope people don't listen too much to your outdated theories. and before I forget... no, I'm not making any claims about ment because I've never used it!
I never run test most than 350mg with tren. Don't find it necessary. I don't compete fyi
Last year I started with 750mg of test e and 400mg of tren e. I did not look great or feel great. I dropped the test down to 250 a week and that works alot better for me. Dropping weight still, getting stronger, more vascular, and visible abs. Some people can tolerate super high doses of stuff and some work better on lower doses.
RustyhookerIve gone high...low...very high in both directions. Its all down to estro control. Tren binds stronger so excess test just floats and converts.
My opinion....dhb....
High test for bulk and low test for cut or dry gains. Though overall I prefer Tren as a cutting compound.
You will get a variety of responses to this one bud, some like Test double their Tren like me and Layne (Best for mass/strength/size) and others who tend not to like high test in general will run it lower than the tren, which will get you leaner. Running high test for me makes the trenbolone much easier to tolerate as you have more energy, feel more positive, less breathlessness (as long as BP is kept on top of) where as others find lower test is easier to deal with in terms of sides.
I’m experimenting right now with these cut blends and it’s honestly been interesting. I’m finding a good balance with test, tren, mast being at 1:1:1 on my 6ius like regular and pulsing anadrol two weeks on two weeks off. Using it as a recomp for the most part just enjoying life and having a great time like everyone should. I’m a dht whore so I’m liking the high mast along with my Provi.
Ya know its funny with Anadrol - I understand the theory behind pulsing it on and off because of its weak binding abilities. But I always got my best results from it when I just stayed on it. If I came off it at 100mg/day then over those next few weeks I would lose quite a bit of strength. I'd then spend the next 2 weeks getting back what I lost and be ready to start again - I was just continually going round and round like a dog chasing its tail lol.
I've done my time with the RIP mixes too bud, 300mg, 150mg, 200mg variations Lol 2 problems that I always use to find was the Test prop always felt under dosed in it and I had to top that up, and often I would get BAD PIP from them and stonking lumps. Because of the inconsistency with them I just reverted back to buying them separate. I was never really a fan of masteron anyway so just had to buy the Test & Tren parts.
Yes the pip usually gets to me on the cut mixes
I prefer 2:1 ratio of tren with test. I also love adding mast in with it. I find keeping e2 low makes tren a lot more bearable. I know a lot of guys just run their trt dose and add tren. It’s very person dependent though so use short esters and figure out what works for you.