+ 12 Got deca dick? This is why!
I pulled this a book called “Anabolic Pharmacology”. It's one of the best books ever written on steroids. I read this book for the first time back in 2009.
”In most cases, 5-alpha reduction results in a more potent androgen. In the case of nandrolone and nandrolone derivatives, 5-alpha reduction results in less potent derivative. In this case, nandrolone is converted to dihydronandrolone CDHN). DHN has less affinity for the AR than nandrolone. This is positive in the sense that for a given dose of nandrolone, there will be greater activation in muscle than in the prostate. However, at higher doses, nandrolone will overcome the capacity of 5AR resulting in higher levels of prostate AR activation. A-ring substituents, such as a 2-methyl or a 4-chloro, result in some protection of the molecule from the action of5AR.”
We all know that 19-nor steroids have the highest affinity for the AR receptor of any steroid made; if you didn’t know now you do. So you have three factors:
1. Deca isn’t very androgenic to begin with
2.5 alpha reduces it to an even less potent androgen
3. 19-nor steroid ( deca and all it’s metabolites) they love the AR receptor. You know that old saying the early bird gets the worm? This is that in action.
Final product an environment where the androgen to estrogen ratio is off balance. You have to restore this balance to make your member work again. Test isn’t the best option due to its aromatization rate. You DHT derivatives are were you go to for help specifically masteron or proviron. My experience is that masteron works better. Even what would normally be acceptable E2 levels can offset the balance with deca which is why you can’t look to E2 as a cause or solution. It’s definitely a contributing factor but it’s not the solution.
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I’m taking NPP now with test, caber and proviron and I have no problems. Last time I had major problems taking deca.
zmlxnqf0904Very helpful post! Solid ADV tag! +
Masteron honestly seems like it work in almost any cycle, its great for cutting and great for helping with side during a bulk.
PcushionI agree with that 100%
Alphamale500Very interesting and informative post. Lots of good information. Nice P! +
PcushionThanks brother. So many people shy away from nandrolone due to that one stigma. Fact is it doesn’t have to be that way.
Not at all! Nandrolone is my favorite compound other than test. When managed properly is extremely versatile without the harsher sides of other compounds in its class.
Bang'emIve taken npp once and it was not for that long, this was due to very high bp and extreme headaches
Its extremely effective in many area's for something that's only a little bit more anabolic than Test on paper.
PcushionThe whole AAS rating system is ultimately a sham. Actual anabolic building potential maybe only a little higher than test but when you couple that with it’s low affinity for shbg and it’s extremely high affinity for AR receptors it becomes drastically more efficient than test. Efficiency the AAS rating system doesn’t account for.
Tell me dude, do you know of many people personally who run big doses of it? Most I've really found online is guys running 1g max of it per week but I'm sure there must be ones hitting 2g especially the guys who run it with extremely low test. Or is 1g the upper the ceiling of what is effective? I'm only really just discovering how effective it is having been a tren guy for so many years, and the sides are virtually non existent!
PcushionI believe it has a ceiling effect at a gram. I personally have never known anyone run more than that. When running nandrolone if you take advantage of ester peak time of 36-48 hours on cypionate and enanthate by dosing your long esters eod you will find yourself extremely balanced even on low test.
Nandrolone is almost the perfect hormone* almost*
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No difference between 1g and 3g in my experience
Christ who's this - Has Giar's account been hacked into?? Lmao
You've run 3g before have you bud?
That is so true. I fucking love it.
Alphamale500I'm a big fan of Nandrolone, particularly the phenylpropionate ester which I've been running lately. And using Npp until the Deca builds up is a great way to incorporate them both into your cycle. Nandrolone is certainly one of the most popular and widely used steroids of all time.
I know it certainly was one of the most widely used steroids when I first entered the gear scene about twenty something yrs ago. I remember when young guys in my neighborhood gym would run Deca, but when asked about running test, they would say, "hell no, not test!" They kinda looked down on ppl running test etc., thinking that they were better because they only ran Deca, lol! Because these were mostly very young guys who didn't really know shit about running gear!
PcushionIt’s crazy how times change. I have to say as my knowledge and experience about steroids has grown my opinions have changed and I believe there may be some merit to the deca guys thought about superiority. Some time ago I started playing the theory of running low test in my cycles. For my body, all research is pointing towards low test on cycle= a healthier me. I am not going to beat around the bush test has side effects and quite a few of them. Not to mention new testosterone research is showing that it has the ability to exaggerate the side effects of other steroids.
Alphamale500Certainly, low test/deca cycles can be very effective, and I also believe the best way to run the two. Actually, the prefered way that I like to use test in mostly all of my cycles. Like you said, and I agree 100% that it's surely a healthier way! But I'm referring to way back in the day, with these guys running deca and deca only, and wouldn't go anywhere near test. No test whatsoever! Now that's crazy talk.
Good forum post. +2. Well deserved ADV tag. Keep the forum posts coming P
PcushionThanks fuse I really appreciate it.
Never heard about this book. I´ll look for it. Thanks.
nice bro thanks for posting
Deca has its place, but seems to have little effect on my libido for some reason. +
When i use deca i have crazy libido .
x2 Its definitely better
I'm kinda falling in love with Deca again atm, its simply brilliant for shoving water into the shoulders and joints and bumping strength. You can tell its a 19nor the same as tren by the feeling you get from it mentally - difference is though is it fills you full of energy and makes you want to keep training all the time rather than draining you and robbing you of water constantly.
Won’t be long before Giardap slides through and throws in his 2 cents. I’d say he’s one of the most knowledgeable guys on here when it comes to nandrolone.
He helped me set up a high dose deca (~1 gram) low test (~100 mg) run that was almost side effect free. Some shedding. My libido was high all cycle and never had the infamous limp noodle. Quite the opposite.
Liked it so much I’ll be repeating it in a couple months.
PcushionYeah I respect the hell out of G. He and I have had many a discussion on pct theories.
Alphamale500I'm also a fan of med-high dose Nandrolone, low dose test cycles! Do you ever add any other compounds? I've had good success stacking primo with that type of cycle. Do you prefer NPP or Deca, or do you like to incorporate both?
Anadrol preworkout for strength busting through plateaus, primo would be a great choice for the nitrogen retention as well.
G is knowledgeable in many areas.
AnonIve been curious if he'd have anything to add. He did three write ups on it coupled with self experimentation. The threads descended into chaos though..im going to re read it all before my Deca cycle here soon.
There's so much information it's hard to soak up in one pass..
I have read in the past about the DHN metabolite potentially occupying DHT receptors in the body and therefore no DHT in your dick = no erections. In either case, the fix is to run a DHT derivative alongside the Deca as you mentioned. Good read. Thanks for posting.
PcushionEveryone is different but nandrolone just has the capabilities of creating an extremely non androgenic environment. You are correct about DHN. It’s 5 alpha reduced and has a high affinity for the AR2 receptor.
RustyhookerDht is well known for potent boners. And theres more factors than just a balance of dht to nandrolone. Theres where we go back to decades old debates on e2 and prolactin too. Ive seen bloods posted here with erectile dysfuntion, normal e2 and over the max prolactin. And also crashed prolactin and erectile dysfunction.
Whats odd per this post is deca is flat out weak per #1,#2.
PcushionYeah it makes deca almost the perfect steroid. It’s got a 50% greater affinity for the AR than test and it susceptible to 5a reduction but it still maintains almost zero androgenic activity.
I believe E2 to be a contributing factor for sure. I just can’t see E2 as a solution. Numbers that are on the high side of normal can be enough to throw off that balance when endogenous DHT production is the only stimulation to the AR2 receptors in the prostate and it’s got competition at the receptor.
It’s a perfect example of why labs are important. You get so see exactly how your body handles various androgens. It’s also why you don’t use 19 nors until you figured out everything else.
RustyhookerE2 can wreak havok when not kept in check. Or wreak hovok by halting growth when crashed. Plus the e2 sides are similar at each end of spectrum.
Fun to learn....and it gets broader each time opening pandoras box