Go Easy On Me :( Question About...Topicals and TRT
I'm gonna be straight up and just say it. I'm afraid to inject myself. No amount of talking/flaming can change that. I have been this way for my entire life. I can get an injection, I just can't GIVE one (whether it be to myself or others).
I have 400 total test and I am 20 years old. Basically, I want TRT. I realize that I am around 100-200 total away from qualifying. I have experienced side effects since I was a young teen (no energy for the first 6 hours after I wake up, no drive/determination, feminine, high voice, inconsistent hair darkness/thickness, poor sleep--to sum things up, I am a pussy). I would really like to change my life around and become more energetic, determined, and masculine. My doctors don't seem to understand that and feel like the lab results are all that matters.
Now, I understand that any form of "artificial" testosterone will shut your natural production down. Since I am afraid to inject myself, I would like to use a topical/gel to do just that. Unfortunately, I have been unable to find ANYWHERE that sells them. All injectables. Is there any way for someone to get androgel or any other topical/gel form of testosterone on the black market? I would like to use it for 12 weeks and then go to the doctor after my PCT, hoping to qualify for TRT with a lower natural level than my previous visit.
Help? :( I'm new to this and I really want to improve my quality of life. Sorry ahead of time for any stupid questions.
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You already know you're about to be shitstormed for suggesting the idea of TRT at 20 in this forum if you've been reading it long enough. But because I can kind of relate to your problem and because I don't always do things the way the forum recommends here's some advice:
On Testosterone gel in the underground market: I know it exists but I've never seen it. You're going to have a hard time just trying to find it and you're severely limiting your options. Injectable testosterone is the cheapest, most affordable, widely available, less harming to your liver kind of testosterone there is.
On not being able to inject: didn't you want a chance to man up? There you have it. If you're not ready it only means you're not ready for T either. There's a lot of testosterone deficient kids out there, transexuals, diabetics, people with real issues and they're getting their injections at home by themselves. We've all been afraid but it's not that hard at all and if you really want it you'll find a way. Just make sure you use the right protocol and be safe (knowing you're doing it right takes 90% of the fear out).
On jumping right into TRT: don't do that to yourself at that early age. It's a decision that's going to be with you forever and you are not ready to make it yet. Do a couple of cycles first. You don't have anything to lose that way and it will help you make a more informed decision.
Hope that helped.
Dude! Noooooooooooooo!! You're a hormonal VOLCANO at your age. You start TRT now and by thirty I'll be sucking your titties. There's Hella folks here to help your training and diet. Unless ya want old nasty man looking at your moobs......eat and lift right. You'll thank us later....
sgtstedankoWhat's your diet like? Trt@20, would be the dumbest decision you ever make. You are not done growing yet. If you're a pussy, change your mindset! Stop being a pussy. If god didn't bless you w/one, you have no excuses... Read, & follow this. As best you can. If you stick w/it, you will change your life! 1st thing in the morning, take Korean red panax ginseng, yohimbe, powders mixed in w/a cup or two of coffee. Take beet root powder & l-arganine, creatine hydrochloride mixed in w/a gatorade afternoon... Start exercising in the morning. Your test is not the problem. As It is highest in the morning. Feel free to pm me. No matter how badly you feel you need test to man up. The truth is, you won't be a man for about another 6years. So choose to enjoy this time in your life. its your mindset, brother. Make sure you're getting the proper vita/min regime as needed, daily. Seriously. Read this. Or join the army... Feel free to pm me.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/workout-exercise/the...
Stop being a pussy, join the army!
sgtstedankoBe, all that you can be; stop being a pussy. Start getting some! : )
I agree in reverse order of priority for me;)
yes it is available if you look for it, there are no hand outs here brother. and as you say 400 is in the normal range, so they are not going to do shit for you, there are also ways to raise energy levels with out the use of test. as far as the high voice feminine shit, maybe you havnt stopped growing, your young bud. and if you use the test gel then your blood levels will be all over the place, trust me i was on that shit at a young age, but my level was about 160's. but i had none of the shit your talking about, just a fucked up test level and less energy. do you workout? seriously? if your that worried about it, man the fuck up and do a few shots of prop then go to the doc a few weeks later and get your T levels checked, i promise they will be lower if you wait the proper amount.
I will look further. I have seriously checked around though. I won't be giving up on finding them since I know they are out there! Yes, they are "low normal" but doctors unfortunately will not do anything for that.
I would like to think that is the case but when I asked my doctor I was told it is highly unlikely that I will get a deeper voice. I am very self conscious about talking to new people because of it (yes, people mention it all of the time).
I have little-to-no energy for the first half of my day. I have a TON of energy before I go to bed. It makes no sense whatsoever.
I do workout, and yes, seriously.
I just don't understand why I need to give myself a few shots instead of gels? Won't they do the same thing? Trust me, dude...I WANT TO MAN UP. I really do. That's the whole reason I want to take test/TRT. If I could remove my fear of injecting myself I would do so right here right now. It's not something I have control over. My hands literally tremble, my heart rate skyrockets, and I sweat profusely.
56tooShit buddy! I just read a book which describes your symptoms (lethargic in the am and energetic at night) and I think it had to do with t3 t4 production.I will try to find where I read that. Send me a friend request.
sgtstedankoThe absolute last thing in the world this kid needs, is to fuck up his t3/4 levels. If you're suggesting supplementary t3/t4, etc, I'm gonna kick you in the online nuts, dude! He needs to workout, properly, eat, properly, & make sure he's taking in the proper amount of vita's/mins... He Needs to take the time to become a man, properly. Not an impatient little kid. Imho...
56tooIm not suggesting that at all. If you had symptoms tht cried out cancer and you didnt know it and I had read somewhere that those symptoms were a possible sign of cancer, dont u think it would be considerate of me to tell u so u cld maybe go discuss it with your dr.?
Totally totally totally f-ing agree any messing with t3/4 levels or roids or gels or fucking anything apart fom eating and training will fuck this kid up forever!
This thread should be closed to stop any bad or undue advice being sucked up IMO ...
56tooIm not suggesting that at all. If you had symptoms tht cried out cancer and you didnt know it and I had read somewhere that those symptoms were a possible sign of cancer, dont u think it would be considerate of me to tell u so u cld maybe go discuss it with your dr.?
sgtstedankoYes, I would... But I would say THAT, brother. You've got to admit, it looked like you were suggesting t3 to the kid. & I can't/won't/&would never let that slide... As I hope you wouldn't either.
Just spotted this! well said bro same goes for the both of us... no disrespect meant to 56TOO it was the way it read
56tooThanks to the both of u. I appreciate that I was able to clarify and I do see your point. That thyroid shit is IMO one of the most dangerous things to mess with. The more u read about it the less you want to fuck with it.
Sweet bro! glad we cleared that up..we are good brother
sgtstedankoYup, all good.. Cool. Yeah, agreed w/you 56too, I've never used t3. Some of our guys swear by it to cut. If I feel the need, I just use clen for a few weeks, or so. Only time o can using t3/4 is for hgh. & that's my ace in the hole. I honestly can't afford it on my cycle/s though : (
sgtstedankoI know, right!? The 20yo guy doesn't understand that he's still growing as a man, his body is figuring out who/what it is! Like it or not, you as a man, are not a man until about 26years old. No matter who you are, Damnit... It's fact.